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uh nearly a couple of years ago now

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where we were talking about another book

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and other research that he had done on

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the book of enoch but tonight my guest

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is robert sullivan iv we're going to be

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talking about his

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new book called cinema symbolism a guide

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to esoteric imagery

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in popular movies welcome to the show

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once again robert

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hey renee thanks for having me on night

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vision it's uh great to be back with you

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well it's always great to have you it's

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such an interesting subject this time

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too and

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i think uh you sort of run the gamut on

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your coverage of films in this book

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there's something for everybody it's not

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just one style of film and it's not just

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sort of one decade

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you've sort of taken a look throughout

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the decades at uh

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symbolism or uh sort of hidden messages

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hidden meaning

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uh in hollywood films

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and i know that i was looking um

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on your website and it it it talked

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the occult numerology astrology

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and all this all these types of images

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contained uh within popular films now

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kinds of symbolism or meaning and that

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deliberate symbols or deliberate images

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placed in

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and then is there also an element

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of the filmmaker as an artist just sort

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from maybe the collective unconscious or

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other ideas out there and they're not

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consciously putting in the symbols but

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collective unconscious i think these

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incorporate you know since it is

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unconscious technically we don't know

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some of its components are you know

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ancient ancient religion mysticism

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influence as well and uh may not

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motive to this um per se but i would say

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form of like mythology making is really

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what it boils down to but plus i mean

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this so um it's very powerful it's very

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powerful imagery um but yeah i mean i

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mean a lot of this arcana comes out of

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the collective unconscious and in turn

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influenced as well but the camera

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captures captures everything as they say

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so um you know i do talk about in the

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movie where you'll you'll find a

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filmmaker who who you know you

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researched the person and they really

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had no knowledge of this material but

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esoteric themes in their films so how do

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i do believe it's intentional and um i

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i've seen too much evidence of it uh to

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think otherwise

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ascribe you know sort of a sinister

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meaning to it necessarily but is there

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an intentional

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an intentional subliminal

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message that they're giving to the

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viewer uh is there something

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makes them want to see the movie more or

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viewer to do anything in particular or

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anything like i said i really view it as

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a form of mind control but i think it's

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that's very veiled they're not going to

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come out and announce it but but it

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helps by incorporating it helps with

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plot lines um and it imbues the movie

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with different levels of meaning um and

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it's almost like a challenge in some

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instances uh you watch a movie um you

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watch a film to pick up on to pick up on

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everything i mean and even now as i sit

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there could be movies i've seen a dozen

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overloaded with it some um have more

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than others um surprisingly there have

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see a lot and haven't seen any so you

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know it just varies and uh you know i i

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i definitely like i said um i it was it

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was it was really more than enough

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and really this book grew out of the

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final chapter of royal arch of enoch

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where i talked about um some masonic in

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solar enacting themes and movies just to

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make a long story short it was it was

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movies that i definitely could document

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it in and i sort of applied that same

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maxim when i was doing um cinema

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symbolism i mean i i had to be 100 sure

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that i was convinced of what i was

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seeing and uh was was certain that the

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evidence um was clear to to you know

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really do an analysis of the analysis of

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the film um you know it wasn't the sort

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phenomena

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other things do you think that i mean it

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hidden symbols and renaissance paintings

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intentional and you know a lot of them

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you know contained what

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what would have been called heretical

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messages and things like that

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gamut of of art

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that i mean have you noticed for

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uh incorporate some of these themes

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music videos um incorporate some of

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these themes um you know you talk about

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comic books i mean a lot of comic book

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characters um are very are you know

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archetypical um and and and incorporate

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you know again these elements coming out

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of the collective unconscious so um yeah

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beginning of the show how it kind of

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spans genres i mean you will find

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steep mythology a lot of his works um

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symbolism and that i mean the works of

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dream um the occult astrology things

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it incorporated um into these

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renaissance masters you know works of

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arts and it really is sort of the same

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thing you know when you're dealing with

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with the alignments astrologically well

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then you turn it you put it in a movie

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um you know it's the same sort of thing

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it turns your your movie into you know a

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living piece of artwork um

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you know a living piece of mythology um

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and like i said it's uh definitely you

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know i i'm 100 convinced um that it is

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definitely there and definitely

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intentional

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well and and and

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we're not talking about the you know uh

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hidden

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you know body parts in the little

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mermaid and things like that we're

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talking about

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real esoteric symbolism

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and you're talking about astrology

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numerology

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even kabbalistic symbolism

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now today i had fun you know i or i

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guess it was yesterday probably i posted

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a a picture from the wizard of oz and

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every week i changed my facebook

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background to sort of go along with

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something that's going to be on the show

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but i i just kind of wait to see who

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picks up on it

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and um

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but the wizard of oz i put because it's

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such a classic

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it's something you know it's a film that

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everyone has seen i mean every kid in

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the world at some point sees wizard of

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oz and normally you know those of us you

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know that are adults have seen it more

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than once over our lifetimes can you

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talk a little bit about what you found

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within

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the wizard of oz

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oh sure absolutely um wizard of oz is

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steeped in mysticism um you have really

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three levels of allegory going on the

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first is just your perfunctory you know

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it's a girl living on a farm gets

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whisked away to a magical land has an

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adventure goes home the end have a nice

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day

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but then you get into really two more

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much more deeper allegories one is a

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little more on the surface than the

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other um and one's a little more

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well-known than the other um and that is

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that the wizard of oz is a retelling

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of the political life economic

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socio-political life in the united

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states of america um from about 1895 to

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around 1905 um where you have um you

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know certainly the the the the

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you know in 1896 you had a massive

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depression um in in the united states

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not a lot of people aware of it everyone

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knows of the one those are the one in

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the late 20s um

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early early 1930s right

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yeah there was a big depression in in

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1896

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which saw foreclosures people losing

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their farm laborers being laid off so of

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course you have the girl losing the farm

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to the tornado at the beginning

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symbolizing foreclosure

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but then she goes to the magical land

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you have the wizard of oz is the

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president of the united states was

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william mckinley who wanted to use um

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the the the gold standard to back um

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green money this is why the yellow brick

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road or the gold standard always leads

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to the creation of paper money um and

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that's well also it was the it was the

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emerald city that they were going to

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which is green

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right that's right it's green money it's

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it's the gold standard leads through the

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green money the in the book in baum's

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book um the the dorothy wears um silver

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slippers they're not ruby um they did it

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they didn't turn up right in the in in

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the filming of the uh of the filming of

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the movie and they wanted to use ruby

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because they were using technicolor

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which was brand new but the silver

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slippers actually symbolized something

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called the free silver movement um and

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this was also the idea of using silver

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to back green money this is why the

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silver walks with the gold towards the

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green money or emerald city and then of

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course you have the scarecrow who is the

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american farmer you have tin man who is

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the american laborer and again the idea

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is this is the political allegory

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that the laborer is laid off that's why

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he's immobile well if you in in history

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in the history of the time the american

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labor was put back to work by the oil

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companies by people like you know jp

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rockefeller standard oil this is why the

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tin man needs to be oiled up to get him

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moving again or back to work um and then

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of course you have the one real quick

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i'll go to the other one i'll go to the

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other symbolism in a minute i'll just

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wrap up here but then of course you have

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the two little dancing crews of

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munchkins the lollipop league which is

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the um

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the uh unionized labor movement um the

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workers and then of course you have the

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lullaby league which is the women this

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is the women's suffrage movement with

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that was waking up at this time that's

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why they were sleeping yet waking up

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that's why they're the lullaby league so

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you have this very deep political

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allegory going on in the wizard of oz

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but then you also had this idea of the

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initiation into what i would call the

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initiation into the mystery tradition

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neo-gnosticism uh within the wizard of

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oz and uh this is clearly intentionally

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done by the author of the book um l

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frank baum

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baum and his wife were members of madame

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blavatsky's theosophy movement oh my

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gosh

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yeah which yeah which was an occult

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movement it was basically neo-gnosticism

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so you have the idea and i'm just going

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over this very briefly but you have the

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idea of the girl um being whisked to the

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magical land up the ladder of the

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tornado this would be the latter of

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minerva the latter of mithras jacob's

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ladder um you know in masonry this is

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called the latter of the middle chamber

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that leads to wisdom so she goes up the

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ladder to receive gnosis

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to go on this magical adventure um where

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she's going to have an epiphany

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this is paralleled in alice in

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wonderland only alice goes down the

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rabbit hole um

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dorothy goes up up the tornado um and

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then she's she's in this magical land uh

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and and you know it's the idea that

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she's walking on the golden path of

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religion but of course in gnosticism and

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theosophy taught that religions lead to

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a false messiah which of course in the

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wizard of oz is the wizard who is a

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phony who's a fake um and he's a vi he's

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a vile he's a vile monster uh he's evil

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um and the idea of a beautiful land

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being ruled by the monster um has come

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straight out of gnosticism this is the

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the character that the wizard would be

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is called the demiurge he's this lesser

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creator god

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yeah exactly ruling the earth yeah yeah

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right yeah so she goes to this magical

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land and and blavatsky said in order to

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be initiated into the mysteries

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initiating to gnosis you have to have um

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fortitude and courage this is why

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dorothy has the three travelers who are

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looking for a brain a heart and courage

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um and then you know you have the idea

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of the two

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good women um the women who use the

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white kabbalistic magic there of the

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north and south and that's right because

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in order to move upwards towards

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ascencio towards apotheosis towards

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awakening you move up and down the

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ladder the two women who oppose her the

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one that's killed off immediately

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are the east and west these are the

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women who use the black magic um and the

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reason they're the east and west is that

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stagnation you can't see you can't

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achieve gnosis by moving left and right

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symbolically you can only achieve it by

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moving up and down

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so then you have the idea that dorothy

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finally has this epiphany um which for

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her is there's no place like home um she

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has this you know sublime awakening um

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then she finally gets returned home

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by the wizard of all things in a hot air

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balloon

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and again this is the idea that the

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wizard as the false messiah that

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religions are nothing but hot air so

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he's going to take her back in the hot

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air balloon

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and of course when she gets back home um

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she realized you know no one understands

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the adventure um you know she's the only

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one who understands her you know

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conscious awakening her epiphany the

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farm hands no one else understands it so

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she's enlightened the others are the

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profane so it's this really this this i

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mean there's much more to it than this

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i'm just plowing over it for time

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reasons but there's this really you know

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you know there's this really deep

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theosophical gnostic um theme of

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self-awakening um having this adventure

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you know going on a a journey of

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self-revelation um in this in this

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magical land again this is paralleled in

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in uh lewis carroll's alice in

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wonderland but you have this gnostic um

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interpretation of alice excuse me of a

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wizard of oz then you have the political

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allegory piled on top of it um and this

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is a whole chapter in cinema symbolism i

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go into it much more in detail but you

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know just just right off the bat it's

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the political and this initiation into

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the mystery gnostic theme uh going on

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inside the wizard of oz

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wow all that going on and i never knew

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it

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probably 20 years since i've seen that

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film

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but i will watch it again now that we've

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spoken and i'm going to look for those

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things myself and they do make sense i

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have to say

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but i would have never looked at it in

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in quite that way how did you happen did

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were you just uh

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you just start began noticing

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that you were seeing these things in

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film and then you

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you know would see something else in

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another film and then you started

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realizing that this was a common

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occurrence

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that's kind of exactly what happened um

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the way that the how this book was born

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um cinema symbolism was was

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when i was on your show last time we

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were talking about the royal arch of

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enoch and i'm not going to go back down

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there but i just got to give a little

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background on this because it leads to

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the movie book was the royal arch of

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enoch was really a product of 20 years

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of research investigating you know like

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secret societies mysticism the occult

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astrology cabal all that all that stuff

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all that good stuff you mentioned

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earlier um and i i really was just

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writing this massive book about you know

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esoteric western hermeticism um and in

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royal arch the final chapter like i said

551
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when i mentioned earlier was kind of

552
00:20:37,029 --> 00:20:34,310
mean i know that has some inaudible

553
00:20:39,270 --> 00:20:37,039
overtones but on overtones but on a much

554
00:20:41,029 --> 00:20:39,280
deeper level um the the not the first

555
00:20:43,669 --> 00:20:41,039
national treasure movie is actually a

556
00:20:45,510 --> 00:20:43,679
masonic ritual um it's the royal arch of

557
00:20:48,549 --> 00:20:45,520
enoch ceremonial it's the recovery of

558
00:20:49,990 --> 00:20:48,559
the uh secret underground treasure vault

559
00:20:51,590 --> 00:20:50,000
that contains all the treasure beneath

560
00:20:53,029 --> 00:20:51,600
the holy ground that's the royal arts

561
00:20:54,870 --> 00:20:53,039
ritual and of course that's the movie

562
00:20:56,710 --> 00:20:54,880
that's the first national treasure movie

563
00:20:59,510 --> 00:20:56,720
and i started to see these exact same

564
00:21:01,350 --> 00:20:59,520
themes um in the da vinci code movie um

565
00:21:03,510 --> 00:21:01,360
which is what i describe in royal arches

566
00:21:05,270 --> 00:21:03,520
a temple to the number 13.

567
00:21:07,750 --> 00:21:05,280
and again this is paralleling this royal

568
00:21:09,270 --> 00:21:07,760
arch ritual that was originally the 13th

569
00:21:11,590 --> 00:21:09,280
degree in the right of perfection and it

570
00:21:13,909 --> 00:21:11,600
deals with wisdom and the restoration of

571
00:21:16,149 --> 00:21:13,919
knowledge when you watch watch da vinci

572
00:21:18,149 --> 00:21:16,159
code every time they need a clue or they

573
00:21:20,230 --> 00:21:18,159
need wisdom the number 13 will come up

574
00:21:21,830 --> 00:21:20,240
on the screen in one one way or another

575
00:21:24,310 --> 00:21:21,840
it's fascinating it's a fascinating

576
00:21:25,270 --> 00:21:24,320
study so i was beginning to see it there

577
00:21:27,029 --> 00:21:25,280
and

578
00:21:28,630 --> 00:21:27,039
what i i was really interested in the

579
00:21:30,390 --> 00:21:28,640
subject matter like i said it was the

580
00:21:31,990 --> 00:21:30,400
last chapter of royal arch and i was

581
00:21:34,230 --> 00:21:32,000
seeing this stuff in other movies but it

582
00:21:36,390 --> 00:21:34,240
really wasn't necessarily masonic per se

583
00:21:38,789 --> 00:21:36,400
in some cases it was so i really what i

584
00:21:41,430 --> 00:21:38,799
did was i took that 20 years of research

585
00:21:43,350 --> 00:21:41,440
um and turned it on hollywood um and

586
00:21:45,510 --> 00:21:43,360
like i said i was noticing this stuff

587
00:21:47,190 --> 00:21:45,520
and then you know i i you know i started

588
00:21:50,149 --> 00:21:47,200
watching the matrix movies which are

589
00:21:51,590 --> 00:21:50,159
very gnostic um the the star wars movies

590
00:21:53,909 --> 00:21:51,600
which incorporate a lot of the works of

591
00:21:56,310 --> 00:21:53,919
joseph campbell and and the monomyth and

592
00:21:58,470 --> 00:21:56,320
the solar allegory the the christ-like

593
00:22:00,950 --> 00:21:58,480
savior figure you you'll find this

594
00:22:03,669 --> 00:22:00,960
character as frodo baggins and lord of

595
00:22:06,230 --> 00:22:03,679
the rings neo in the matrix

596
00:22:07,830 --> 00:22:06,240
uh things like that um and i just

597
00:22:10,310 --> 00:22:07,840
started seeing it and you know you'd sit

598
00:22:11,590 --> 00:22:10,320
down and watch a movie i'd see something

599
00:22:13,029 --> 00:22:11,600
and then you know

600
00:22:15,590 --> 00:22:13,039
i kind of start watching the movie

601
00:22:16,950 --> 00:22:15,600
through a symbolic lens um and like i

602
00:22:19,029 --> 00:22:16,960
said it would take two or three more

603
00:22:21,029 --> 00:22:19,039
times at least um and then you just

604
00:22:23,190 --> 00:22:21,039
started picking up on stuff and it just

605
00:22:26,230 --> 00:22:23,200
became so obvious to me that this was

606
00:22:28,149 --> 00:22:26,240
being intentionally done um and and and

607
00:22:29,830 --> 00:22:28,159
you know you know the movie makers the

608
00:22:31,750 --> 00:22:29,840
filmmakers the director's crew so we'll

609
00:22:33,350 --> 00:22:31,760
give you a little tip tips tip offs of

610
00:22:35,830 --> 00:22:33,360
this um you would see things that would

611
00:22:39,029 --> 00:22:35,840
be repeating the emphasis on a certain

612
00:22:41,430 --> 00:22:39,039
number um and and it was just you know i

613
00:22:42,630 --> 00:22:41,440
i was just seeing it and i i had seen it

614
00:22:44,789 --> 00:22:42,640
enough that i knew it wasn't a

615
00:22:46,950 --> 00:22:44,799
coincidence at this point anymore so i

616
00:22:48,789 --> 00:22:46,960
really took that 20 years of research

617
00:22:50,310 --> 00:22:48,799
and turned it on hollywood

618
00:22:52,310 --> 00:22:50,320
and like i said i only talked about

619
00:22:55,750 --> 00:22:52,320
movies that i was absolutely certain

620
00:22:56,870 --> 00:22:55,760
this esoterica was being presented in

621
00:22:59,270 --> 00:22:56,880
well

622
00:23:01,909 --> 00:22:59,280
it's really interesting it it seems like

623
00:23:03,909 --> 00:23:01,919
too like you were talking about uh for

624
00:23:05,510 --> 00:23:03,919
instance uh

625
00:23:08,549 --> 00:23:05,520
you know alice in wonderland through the

626
00:23:10,950 --> 00:23:08,559
looking glass by by lewis carroll and

627
00:23:13,029 --> 00:23:10,960
how there were you know in his writing

628
00:23:16,149 --> 00:23:13,039
he incorporated a lot of stuff which you

629
00:23:19,350 --> 00:23:16,159
know i totally agree with uh

630
00:23:21,029 --> 00:23:19,360
and then that translated into the film

631
00:23:22,710 --> 00:23:21,039
but now when you're talking about the da

632
00:23:24,310 --> 00:23:22,720
vinci code i know that there were

633
00:23:26,470 --> 00:23:24,320
certainly hidden things in the da vinci

634
00:23:29,350 --> 00:23:26,480
code i actually made a movie about you

635
00:23:31,190 --> 00:23:29,360
know on that subject myself

636
00:23:33,430 --> 00:23:31,200
but

637
00:23:35,110 --> 00:23:33,440
it sounds like what you're saying is

638
00:23:38,310 --> 00:23:35,120
that there were things that weren't in

639
00:23:41,190 --> 00:23:38,320
the book that the filmmakers then added

640
00:23:43,510 --> 00:23:41,200
in the imagery like in the da vinci code

641
00:23:45,430 --> 00:23:43,520
i don't remember the number 13 coming up

642
00:23:46,789 --> 00:23:45,440
all the time unless i'm just having a

643
00:23:47,830 --> 00:23:46,799
brain fade

644
00:23:49,350 --> 00:23:47,840
i'm not talking about the movie i'm

645
00:23:51,110 --> 00:23:49,360
talking about in the book

646
00:23:53,190 --> 00:23:51,120
so this would

647
00:23:54,630 --> 00:23:53,200
i would think or it sounds like

648
00:23:56,870 --> 00:23:54,640
sometimes

649
00:23:59,590 --> 00:23:56,880
the material is embedded in the story

650
00:24:00,789 --> 00:23:59,600
itself or the or the imagery or the

651
00:24:03,430 --> 00:24:00,799
symbolism

652
00:24:06,149 --> 00:24:03,440
and other times it's being added after

653
00:24:09,430 --> 00:24:06,159
the fact into the film

654
00:24:11,430 --> 00:24:09,440
oh absolutely um absolutely um you know

655
00:24:13,669 --> 00:24:11,440
you you will find in some instances

656
00:24:16,230 --> 00:24:13,679
where the the the writer of the story

657
00:24:18,789 --> 00:24:16,240
such as ian fleming with the james bond

658
00:24:20,710 --> 00:24:18,799
stuff is obviously incorporating um you

659
00:24:22,789 --> 00:24:20,720
know esoterica into these books and it

660
00:24:25,350 --> 00:24:22,799
turns up in the movie um but then you

661
00:24:27,669 --> 00:24:25,360
have um you know like with the da vinci

662
00:24:30,070 --> 00:24:27,679
code um i have the i think it's on the

663
00:24:31,990 --> 00:24:30,080
dvd i have the blue right here where um

664
00:24:33,830 --> 00:24:32,000
howard the director ron howard was

665
00:24:35,350 --> 00:24:33,840
giving an interview and he said well he

666
00:24:38,230 --> 00:24:35,360
said when we made this we put some stuff

667
00:24:39,669 --> 00:24:38,240
in the background um you know that you

668
00:24:41,029 --> 00:24:39,679
know like i know you know a couple times

669
00:24:42,470 --> 00:24:41,039
when they're going to the louvre you see

670
00:24:44,630 --> 00:24:42,480
the lay miz poster and this is a

671
00:24:47,110 --> 00:24:44,640
reference to victor hugo who is supposed

672
00:24:48,950 --> 00:24:47,120
to be in the priory of zion right then

673
00:24:51,269 --> 00:24:48,960
then he said then we put in this really

674
00:24:53,510 --> 00:24:51,279
deeper darker code he said in some

675
00:24:55,909 --> 00:24:53,520
instances i don't even know what it is

676
00:24:59,029 --> 00:24:55,919
um and i i document it more in the royal

677
00:25:00,870 --> 00:24:59,039
arch of enoch um but cut the number 13

678
00:25:02,789 --> 00:25:00,880
is just all is just all over the place i

679
00:25:05,029 --> 00:25:02,799
mean i know just a couple off the top of

680
00:25:07,269 --> 00:25:05,039
my head was the mona lisa was kept in

681
00:25:08,950 --> 00:25:07,279
hall 13 in the louvre um they show you

682
00:25:10,789 --> 00:25:08,960
that in the elevator

683
00:25:12,710 --> 00:25:10,799
the one part where the key stone is in

684
00:25:14,149 --> 00:25:12,720
the back of the van and of course a key

685
00:25:16,149 --> 00:25:14,159
stone comes straight out of royal arch

686
00:25:18,230 --> 00:25:16,159
symbology you can't have an archway

687
00:25:20,470 --> 00:25:18,240
without a keystone the time on the clock

688
00:25:22,549 --> 00:25:20,480
is 112. if you add that together you get

689
00:25:25,029 --> 00:25:22,559
13. there's other derivatives of the

690
00:25:27,990 --> 00:25:25,039
number 13 in that in that film uh it's

691
00:25:29,510 --> 00:25:28,000
escaping me but then you also have i

692
00:25:31,269 --> 00:25:29,520
mean clearly this is not in the book

693
00:25:33,110 --> 00:25:31,279
this is something that was added later

694
00:25:34,310 --> 00:25:33,120
um and you'll find this in the shining

695
00:25:37,029 --> 00:25:34,320
with um

696
00:25:39,590 --> 00:25:37,039
with kubrick um i mean the level that

697
00:25:41,350 --> 00:25:39,600
kubrick went to to add repetition and

698
00:25:44,710 --> 00:25:41,360
repeating numbers and none of this is in

699
00:25:46,310 --> 00:25:44,720
the book um you know and to symbolize

700
00:25:49,190 --> 00:25:46,320
the reincarnation going on in the

701
00:25:51,350 --> 00:25:49,200
overlook is so overwhelming um that you

702
00:25:53,909 --> 00:25:51,360
can almost craft the argument that that

703
00:25:56,310 --> 00:25:53,919
uh kubrick forgot to tell the movie um

704
00:25:59,350 --> 00:25:56,320
or forgot to make a horror movie um

705
00:26:02,070 --> 00:25:59,360
stephen king couldn't stand uh kubrick's

706
00:26:04,149 --> 00:26:02,080
version of the shining um and and the

707
00:26:06,870 --> 00:26:04,159
shining is nothing more i mean it's a

708
00:26:09,029 --> 00:26:06,880
great movie um but but the levels that

709
00:26:11,750 --> 00:26:09,039
that kubrick goes to to incorporate

710
00:26:14,470 --> 00:26:11,760
repetition and repeating numbers uh in

711
00:26:16,470 --> 00:26:14,480
that movie is is so off the chart uh and

712
00:26:18,070 --> 00:26:16,480
we could do a show on that by itself i

713
00:26:20,549 --> 00:26:18,080
mean clearly this is not not something

714
00:26:23,350 --> 00:26:20,559
um in in the book at all so you it works

715
00:26:24,630 --> 00:26:23,360
both ways um you will find uh when i

716
00:26:26,789 --> 00:26:24,640
like you know what we were talking about

717
00:26:28,789 --> 00:26:26,799
with balm's wizard of oz you will find

718
00:26:30,230 --> 00:26:28,799
these themes in the wizard of oz um and

719
00:26:32,230 --> 00:26:30,240
they translate into the movies but yeah

720
00:26:35,029 --> 00:26:32,240
i mean oftentimes you will find a

721
00:26:37,669 --> 00:26:35,039
filmmaker um who who who gets a hold of

722
00:26:39,990 --> 00:26:37,679
a book um and makes it into a movie and

723
00:26:43,669 --> 00:26:40,000
and you know just puts his own stamp on

724
00:26:46,310 --> 00:26:43,679
it um that this is uh not uncommon

725
00:26:48,390 --> 00:26:46,320
right yeah yeah it's a couple of couple

726
00:26:51,350 --> 00:26:48,400
layers here because there may be

727
00:26:55,029 --> 00:26:51,360
secret images that the the writer

728
00:26:56,870 --> 00:26:55,039
is uh is embedding in the story itself

729
00:26:58,070 --> 00:26:56,880
and then there could be other layers

730
00:26:59,990 --> 00:26:58,080
added by

731
00:27:02,470 --> 00:27:00,000
the filmmakers as they

732
00:27:04,870 --> 00:27:02,480
as they produce the film i would think

733
00:27:06,390 --> 00:27:04,880
now you immensely you mentioned ian

734
00:27:08,870 --> 00:27:06,400
fleming um

735
00:27:10,390 --> 00:27:08,880
a minute ago with the bond movies and

736
00:27:13,830 --> 00:27:10,400
and um

737
00:27:16,310 --> 00:27:13,840
and the bond stories now uh

738
00:27:18,310 --> 00:27:16,320
when i was looking into your material i

739
00:27:21,430 --> 00:27:18,320
saw that um

740
00:27:23,430 --> 00:27:21,440
ian fleming was friends with aleister

741
00:27:25,590 --> 00:27:23,440
crowley is that right

742
00:27:27,190 --> 00:27:25,600
yeah that's absolutely right crowley

743
00:27:29,590 --> 00:27:27,200
worked in british intelligence during

744
00:27:32,870 --> 00:27:29,600
world war one in world war ii um and

745
00:27:35,750 --> 00:27:32,880
during world war ii um the person who

746
00:27:37,510 --> 00:27:35,760
um oversaw crowley was none other than

747
00:27:38,710 --> 00:27:37,520
ian fleming

748
00:27:40,230 --> 00:27:38,720
with

749
00:27:41,590 --> 00:27:40,240
who of course went on to write the james

750
00:27:43,510 --> 00:27:41,600
bond stories

751
00:27:45,750 --> 00:27:43,520
and you will find this very hermetic

752
00:27:48,310 --> 00:27:45,760
occult influence on fleming

753
00:27:51,110 --> 00:27:48,320
via crowley another person who moved in

754
00:27:54,230 --> 00:27:51,120
this exact same circle um and was in in

755
00:27:56,549 --> 00:27:54,240
british intelligence was a man named

756
00:27:58,950 --> 00:27:56,559
dennis wheatley i mean wheatley wrote a

757
00:28:00,470 --> 00:27:58,960
story called the devil rides out

758
00:28:02,070 --> 00:28:00,480
and wheatley

759
00:28:03,350 --> 00:28:02,080
incorporates a character in that story

760
00:28:05,669 --> 00:28:03,360
it turns up in the movie that was made

761
00:28:08,310 --> 00:28:05,679
in the 1960s called mokada who is

762
00:28:10,389 --> 00:28:08,320
clearly based upon aleister crowley um

763
00:28:12,789 --> 00:28:10,399
so you'll find this very hermetic and

764
00:28:13,909 --> 00:28:12,799
occult influence i mean you know just

765
00:28:16,070 --> 00:28:13,919
the i mean i see we're getting to the

766
00:28:18,950 --> 00:28:16,080
top of the hour just real quick yeah the

767
00:28:20,630 --> 00:28:18,960
yeah the um the zero zero seven sigil of

768
00:28:23,909 --> 00:28:20,640
james bond is a reference to an english

769
00:28:25,590 --> 00:28:23,919
spy master uh named dr john d

770
00:28:28,149 --> 00:28:25,600
who was uh queen elizabeth's court

771
00:28:29,669 --> 00:28:28,159
astrologer uh it's a fascinating story

772
00:28:32,070 --> 00:28:29,679
and uh yeah maybe talk about it more

773
00:28:33,830 --> 00:28:32,080
after the break but uh yeah

774
00:28:35,909 --> 00:28:33,840
yeah yeah i mean i mean i know the

775
00:28:38,310 --> 00:28:35,919
material with fleming is is uncanny with

776
00:28:40,789 --> 00:28:38,320
crowley yeah let's do that let's get

777
00:28:43,510 --> 00:28:40,799
back into uh ian fleming and aleister

778
00:28:45,590 --> 00:28:43,520
crowley when we come back

779
00:28:48,230 --> 00:28:45,600
you're listening to my guest robert

780
00:28:51,110 --> 00:28:48,240
sullivan he's talking about his latest

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to night vision radio with renee barnett

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welcome back if you're just joining us

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this is night vision radio i'm your host

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renee barnett my guest tonight is robert

830
00:32:25,269 --> 00:32:21,600
sullivan iv

831
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and we're talking about hidden esoteric

832
00:32:31,190 --> 00:32:28,399
messages or symbols in hollywood films

833
00:32:33,350 --> 00:32:31,200
and his new book cinema symbolism now

834
00:32:34,630 --> 00:32:33,360
before we carry on with their

835
00:32:37,750 --> 00:32:34,640
interesting conversation that we were

836
00:32:39,909 --> 00:32:37,760
having about ian fleming movies and his

837
00:32:41,590 --> 00:32:39,919
relationship with aleister crowley and

838
00:32:43,909 --> 00:32:41,600
the esoteric

839
00:32:47,430 --> 00:32:43,919
i want to remind everyone to have a look

840
00:32:51,830 --> 00:32:47,440
at robert's website it's robert sullivan

841
00:32:55,669 --> 00:32:51,840
roman numeral 4 robert sullivan iv.com

842
00:32:57,509 --> 00:32:55,679
and have a look and see if

843
00:33:00,789 --> 00:32:57,519
you can oh goodness somebody's trying to

844
00:33:03,269 --> 00:33:00,799
skype me that's just rude

845
00:33:04,870 --> 00:33:03,279
anyhow sorry about that folks all right

846
00:33:07,669 --> 00:33:04,880
so robert we're back now we were talking

847
00:33:12,070 --> 00:33:07,679
about ian fleming in his relationship

848
00:33:14,389 --> 00:33:12,080
with aleister crowley and the esoteric

849
00:33:16,630 --> 00:33:14,399
so please do carry on

850
00:33:18,630 --> 00:33:16,640
yeah absolutely you have the entire

851
00:33:21,110 --> 00:33:18,640
thing with james bond with the sigil of

852
00:33:23,990 --> 00:33:21,120
zero zero seven um this is a reference

853
00:33:25,669 --> 00:33:24,000
to an english astrologer and spymaster

854
00:33:28,070 --> 00:33:25,679
named dr john d

855
00:33:29,990 --> 00:33:28,080
um he developed the system of conjuring

856
00:33:32,230 --> 00:33:30,000
demons and angels who's called a

857
00:33:33,990 --> 00:33:32,240
knocking magic with a guy named edward

858
00:33:36,230 --> 00:33:34,000
kelly but he served as queen elizabeth

859
00:33:38,630 --> 00:33:36,240
the first court astrologer he's the guy

860
00:33:41,430 --> 00:33:38,640
who came up with the date of january 15

861
00:33:43,029 --> 00:33:41,440
15 59 for her to be coordinated on and

862
00:33:45,110 --> 00:33:43,039
said if you get coordinated on this date

863
00:33:47,029 --> 00:33:45,120
you'll have this great golden rain

864
00:33:48,950 --> 00:33:47,039
and of course she did

865
00:33:50,789 --> 00:33:48,960
that date has very significant meaning

866
00:33:53,029 --> 00:33:50,799
but we won't get into that tonight but

867
00:33:55,269 --> 00:33:53,039
at any rate um and of course what

868
00:33:57,190 --> 00:33:55,279
happened was um the queen was persona

869
00:33:59,350 --> 00:33:57,200
non grata with a lot of roman catholics

870
00:34:00,549 --> 00:33:59,360
the jesuits so a man named sir francis

871
00:34:02,230 --> 00:34:00,559
wallsingham

872
00:34:04,389 --> 00:34:02,240
crafted the spiring around queen

873
00:34:06,789 --> 00:34:04,399
elizabeth um and people involved with

874
00:34:09,750 --> 00:34:06,799
this were like sir walter riley drake d

875
00:34:11,829 --> 00:34:09,760
kelly uh people like that giordano bruno

876
00:34:14,149 --> 00:34:11,839
believe it or not was involved with this

877
00:34:15,909 --> 00:34:14,159
um and and when when d would write an

878
00:34:19,030 --> 00:34:15,919
espionage correspondence when he would

879
00:34:20,470 --> 00:34:19,040
be in you know in in the holy roman

880
00:34:22,869 --> 00:34:20,480
empire and he wanted her to see who

881
00:34:24,470 --> 00:34:22,879
signed the letter zero zero seven and

882
00:34:25,990 --> 00:34:24,480
the actual sigil was meant to look like

883
00:34:28,230 --> 00:34:26,000
eyeglasses meaning that the

884
00:34:30,149 --> 00:34:28,240
correspondence was for her eyes only or

885
00:34:31,990 --> 00:34:30,159
he was her eyes in the field i mean this

886
00:34:34,869 --> 00:34:32,000
of course where you get the idea for

887
00:34:37,589 --> 00:34:34,879
for your eyes only comes from um at any

888
00:34:40,310 --> 00:34:37,599
rate this is uh fleming pays um

889
00:34:42,710 --> 00:34:40,320
references uh d by making james bond

890
00:34:46,149 --> 00:34:42,720
double o seven and with with uh with

891
00:34:48,069 --> 00:34:46,159
fleming he um he oversaw the one of the

892
00:34:50,629 --> 00:34:48,079
people that was under him was aleister

893
00:34:53,190 --> 00:34:50,639
crowley just interesting story

894
00:34:55,030 --> 00:34:53,200
when um when rudolph has hitler's deputy

895
00:34:56,790 --> 00:34:55,040
flew to um england

896
00:34:59,190 --> 00:34:56,800
or flew to scotland on this botched

897
00:35:00,630 --> 00:34:59,200
peace effort um to try to broker peace

898
00:35:03,190 --> 00:35:00,640
with england uh right at the beginning

899
00:35:05,109 --> 00:35:03,200
of world war one excuse me world war ii

900
00:35:07,109 --> 00:35:05,119
um they captured hassan they threw him

901
00:35:09,190 --> 00:35:07,119
in the tower of london hess was into

902
00:35:10,790 --> 00:35:09,200
astrology in the occult it was well

903
00:35:12,710 --> 00:35:10,800
known at the time that a lot of the nazi

904
00:35:14,230 --> 00:35:12,720
hierarchy was as well people like hitler

905
00:35:16,630 --> 00:35:14,240
himmler goebbels

906
00:35:18,470 --> 00:35:16,640
and uh crowley went to uh ian fleming

907
00:35:20,069 --> 00:35:18,480
and said listen he said you got you got

908
00:35:21,589 --> 00:35:20,079
rudolph hess in the tower of london he

909
00:35:23,750 --> 00:35:21,599
said let me go in there let me

910
00:35:26,150 --> 00:35:23,760
interrogate the guy i'll do some ours

911
00:35:27,670 --> 00:35:26,160
galatia you know summoning uh i'll

912
00:35:29,510 --> 00:35:27,680
conjure a demon in front of this guy

913
00:35:31,430 --> 00:35:29,520
we'll scare him to death and we'll maybe

914
00:35:34,150 --> 00:35:31,440
get him to talk about some of the nazis

915
00:35:35,430 --> 00:35:34,160
proclivities about the occult astrology

916
00:35:37,270 --> 00:35:35,440
their weaknesses and we can use it

917
00:35:38,790 --> 00:35:37,280
against them uh fleming thought it was a

918
00:35:40,710 --> 00:35:38,800
great idea and actually went to winston

919
00:35:43,109 --> 00:35:40,720
churchill with it but it was ultimately

920
00:35:45,670 --> 00:35:43,119
vetoed by churchill but yeah but that's

921
00:35:47,430 --> 00:35:45,680
a true story um and with with crowley

922
00:35:49,510 --> 00:35:47,440
just i'll i'll go into this story real

923
00:35:51,829 --> 00:35:49,520
quick i'll get to james bond in a second

924
00:35:54,310 --> 00:35:51,839
but um crowley that this has always been

925
00:35:57,190 --> 00:35:54,320
chalked up as um uh aleister crowley

926
00:35:59,430 --> 00:35:57,200
just being uh you know a joker 666 being

927
00:36:01,430 --> 00:35:59,440
666. he used to throw these dinner

928
00:36:03,589 --> 00:36:01,440
parties um and he would cook like a

929
00:36:05,510 --> 00:36:03,599
chicken vindaloo which is a super spicy

930
00:36:06,950 --> 00:36:05,520
indian dish he'd tell the people eating

931
00:36:08,630 --> 00:36:06,960
it was super mild and of course would

932
00:36:10,710 --> 00:36:08,640
blow their heads off and then he would

933
00:36:13,349 --> 00:36:10,720
lace their their drinks with

934
00:36:15,030 --> 00:36:13,359
psychotronic drugs things like masculine

935
00:36:16,950 --> 00:36:15,040
you know lsd

936
00:36:18,950 --> 00:36:16,960
and and and he would sit back and take

937
00:36:20,790 --> 00:36:18,960
notes as to to their reaction or you

938
00:36:22,630 --> 00:36:20,800
know how they reacted and again this has

939
00:36:24,470 --> 00:36:22,640
always been written off as this is just

940
00:36:27,190 --> 00:36:24,480
crowley being a joker and messing around

941
00:36:28,550 --> 00:36:27,200
with people it turns out

942
00:36:30,069 --> 00:36:28,560
that this was actually intentionally

943
00:36:32,069 --> 00:36:30,079
done by crowley

944
00:36:34,470 --> 00:36:32,079
and he was intentionally doing this at

945
00:36:36,150 --> 00:36:34,480
the behest of the british government

946
00:36:38,470 --> 00:36:36,160
and what he was trying to do was test

947
00:36:40,470 --> 00:36:38,480
the effects again of you know

948
00:36:43,270 --> 00:36:40,480
psychedelic drugs on an unsuspecting

949
00:36:45,670 --> 00:36:43,280
unsuspecting person um an unsuspecting

950
00:36:47,030 --> 00:36:45,680
populace and um the person who seems to

951
00:36:49,430 --> 00:36:47,040
be behind this believe it or not was

952
00:36:51,589 --> 00:36:49,440
none other than winston churchill um and

953
00:36:53,670 --> 00:36:51,599
when crowley eventually died in at the

954
00:36:55,990 --> 00:36:53,680
end of world war ii um it was churchill

955
00:36:58,230 --> 00:36:56,000
who went into mi5 and mi6 and had all of

956
00:37:01,109 --> 00:36:58,240
crowley's uh records destroyed and and

957
00:37:03,349 --> 00:37:01,119
this whole dietary um drug testing thing

958
00:37:06,630 --> 00:37:03,359
with with crowley was uh really what you

959
00:37:08,230 --> 00:37:06,640
call the forerunner of cia's mk ultra um

960
00:37:10,230 --> 00:37:08,240
so you had this real you know uh

961
00:37:12,710 --> 00:37:10,240
espionage activity with crowley and

962
00:37:14,630 --> 00:37:12,720
churchill and fleming but you find um

963
00:37:16,390 --> 00:37:14,640
with with with fleming's interaction

964
00:37:19,349 --> 00:37:16,400
through crowley this very hermetic

965
00:37:21,510 --> 00:37:19,359
occult uh theme that turns up in um in

966
00:37:23,430 --> 00:37:21,520
the bond stories in general i mean a lot

967
00:37:26,150 --> 00:37:23,440
of them are the same story over and over

968
00:37:27,349 --> 00:37:26,160
again where you have bond um he gets the

969
00:37:29,270 --> 00:37:27,359
mission

970
00:37:32,069 --> 00:37:29,280
you have james bond as sort of the solar

971
00:37:34,390 --> 00:37:32,079
masculine figure um he gets the mission

972
00:37:36,870 --> 00:37:34,400
he has to go against this um you know

973
00:37:39,109 --> 00:37:36,880
this this evil demiurge over the top

974
00:37:41,109 --> 00:37:39,119
villain whether it's the alchemist or a

975
00:37:44,870 --> 00:37:41,119
goldfinger who wants to transmute base

976
00:37:46,630 --> 00:37:44,880
metal to gold or alternatively um or you

977
00:37:48,790 --> 00:37:46,640
know you know alchemically affect the

978
00:37:51,510 --> 00:37:48,800
golden fort knox to make it worthless

979
00:37:53,190 --> 00:37:51,520
and make his his uh gold worth more this

980
00:37:55,270 --> 00:37:53,200
is where he has the nuclear dirty bomb

981
00:37:58,069 --> 00:37:55,280
which would be the philosopher's stone

982
00:37:59,910 --> 00:37:58,079
um or you have hugo drax the dragon the

983
00:38:01,750 --> 00:37:59,920
illuminati character who wants to take

984
00:38:03,750 --> 00:38:01,760
over the world ernst stavro bloefeld

985
00:38:04,950 --> 00:38:03,760
who's head of this group called spectre

986
00:38:10,230 --> 00:38:04,960
um

987
00:38:12,870 --> 00:38:10,240
mission then he goes to the hermes

988
00:38:15,270 --> 00:38:12,880
trista justice wizard character um who

989
00:38:17,910 --> 00:38:15,280
always provides the sick the sacred

990
00:38:19,910 --> 00:38:17,920
information um to bond which which in

991
00:38:22,390 --> 00:38:19,920
the bond stories is always this magical

992
00:38:24,150 --> 00:38:22,400
gadget this piece of wizardry that

993
00:38:26,230 --> 00:38:24,160
always winds up saving his life so then

994
00:38:29,030 --> 00:38:26,240
he goes on the mission he encounters the

995
00:38:31,670 --> 00:38:29,040
evil demiurge villain um you know the

996
00:38:33,589 --> 00:38:31,680
you know whoever this is um and and he

997
00:38:36,310 --> 00:38:33,599
can't defeat him until he has to

998
00:38:38,470 --> 00:38:36,320
encounter the bond girl he has to unify

999
00:38:40,630 --> 00:38:38,480
with her she's of course the moon to his

1000
00:38:43,109 --> 00:38:40,640
son this is what the rosicrucians call

1001
00:38:45,589 --> 00:38:43,119
the alchemical wedding and then once

1002
00:38:48,069 --> 00:38:45,599
this is a cheap bond that is spiritually

1003
00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:48,079
able to go on and topple the evil evil

1004
00:38:54,470 --> 00:38:50,640
villain the end so you have this very

1005
00:38:56,550 --> 00:38:54,480
hermetic um alchemical rosicrucian uh

1006
00:38:58,950 --> 00:38:56,560
theme going on in the james bond stories

1007
00:39:01,030 --> 00:38:58,960
of course but the sacred feminine i mean

1008
00:39:03,030 --> 00:39:01,040
this is you know no shocker the name of

1009
00:39:05,030 --> 00:39:03,040
this person is always um the name of the

1010
00:39:07,670 --> 00:39:05,040
woman is always overwrought with female

1011
00:39:09,589 --> 00:39:07,680
sexuality of some sort um you have a lot

1012
00:39:11,349 --> 00:39:09,599
of alchemical themes going on in things

1013
00:39:14,069 --> 00:39:11,359
like goldfinger where he's trying to

1014
00:39:15,750 --> 00:39:14,079
transmute the gold um in fort knox to

1015
00:39:17,910 --> 00:39:15,760
make it worthless and of course to do

1016
00:39:20,230 --> 00:39:17,920
this he needs the philosopher's stone

1017
00:39:22,630 --> 00:39:20,240
which is the uh nuclear dirty bomb and

1018
00:39:24,470 --> 00:39:22,640
even the name auric goldfinger a u which

1019
00:39:27,270 --> 00:39:24,480
is the chemical symbol of gold his

1020
00:39:29,750 --> 00:39:27,280
license plate is au1 so you have these

1021
00:39:31,270 --> 00:39:29,760
very um occult themes going on in the

1022
00:39:33,510 --> 00:39:31,280
james bond stories and of course the

1023
00:39:35,750 --> 00:39:33,520
reference with d i get into it much more

1024
00:39:38,150 --> 00:39:35,760
in the book um but you know you know you

1025
00:39:40,710 --> 00:39:38,160
have this very hermetic influence occult

1026
00:39:42,710 --> 00:39:40,720
influence coming into um coming into the

1027
00:39:44,630 --> 00:39:42,720
world of fleming through crowley anot

1028
00:39:46,550 --> 00:39:44,640
another guy who who who moved in the

1029
00:39:49,910 --> 00:39:46,560
circle i mentioned wheatley uh before

1030
00:39:52,310 --> 00:39:49,920
the break was a guy named ronald dahl um

1031
00:39:54,310 --> 00:39:52,320
and uh dahl um wrote a book called

1032
00:39:56,470 --> 00:39:54,320
charlie in the chocolate factory he he

1033
00:39:58,710 --> 00:39:56,480
moved in the same circle with crowley

1034
00:39:59,990 --> 00:39:58,720
and fleming and wheatley and uh believe

1035
00:40:02,470 --> 00:40:00,000
it or not charlie and the chocolate

1036
00:40:04,150 --> 00:40:02,480
factory also has a lot of her medical

1037
00:40:05,910 --> 00:40:04,160
themes in it you have the wizard in the

1038
00:40:08,069 --> 00:40:05,920
chocolate factory yeah with the sacred

1039
00:40:10,069 --> 00:40:08,079
knowledge and um dahl actually

1040
00:40:11,430 --> 00:40:10,079
transformed one of uh fleming's books

1041
00:40:13,670 --> 00:40:11,440
chitty chitty bang bang he actually

1042
00:40:15,670 --> 00:40:13,680
wrote the screenplay for it so um you

1043
00:40:17,750 --> 00:40:15,680
had this you know circle coming you know

1044
00:40:20,230 --> 00:40:17,760
with doll wheatley fleming and this very

1045
00:40:22,710 --> 00:40:20,240
um occult esoteric influence coming onto

1046
00:40:24,470 --> 00:40:22,720
them from aleister crowley

1047
00:40:26,310 --> 00:40:24,480
wow

1048
00:40:30,230 --> 00:40:26,320
now that that is

1049
00:40:32,630 --> 00:40:30,240
very wild i i i i'm thinking i i can't

1050
00:40:34,790 --> 00:40:32,640
quit uh thinking about what you said

1051
00:40:36,069 --> 00:40:34,800
about rudolph hess being in the tower of

1052
00:40:37,030 --> 00:40:36,079
london

1053
00:40:43,589 --> 00:40:37,040
and

1054
00:40:45,910 --> 00:40:43,599
uh

1055
00:40:47,510 --> 00:40:45,920
to scare him and i guess get information

1056
00:40:49,829 --> 00:40:47,520
out of him or whatever

1057
00:40:52,230 --> 00:40:49,839
but i you know

1058
00:40:54,150 --> 00:40:52,240
i mean i've heard stories of of people

1059
00:40:57,589 --> 00:40:54,160
that could do such a thing you know

1060
00:40:59,750 --> 00:40:57,599
these uh alchemists and black magicians

1061
00:41:02,390 --> 00:40:59,760
and that sort of thing to actually be

1062
00:41:04,790 --> 00:41:02,400
able to conjure something up

1063
00:41:06,630 --> 00:41:04,800
that you know in the room with you do

1064
00:41:08,390 --> 00:41:06,640
you think that's really possible do you

1065
00:41:10,630 --> 00:41:08,400
think it would have been really possible

1066
00:41:12,870 --> 00:41:10,640
for him to do that and do you think that

1067
00:41:14,630 --> 00:41:12,880
winston churchill

1068
00:41:16,950 --> 00:41:14,640
believed he was really going to do that

1069
00:41:18,870 --> 00:41:16,960
and that's why he mixed it or

1070
00:41:20,790 --> 00:41:18,880
well yeah i mean i mean crowley crowley

1071
00:41:22,470 --> 00:41:20,800
has clay i mean this this comes out of

1072
00:41:24,069 --> 00:41:22,480
the teachings and the writings of

1073
00:41:26,390 --> 00:41:24,079
aleister crowley and his involvement

1074
00:41:29,030 --> 00:41:26,400
with groups like the golden dawn um the

1075
00:41:31,270 --> 00:41:29,040
oto crowley was a freemason but he's not

1076
00:41:32,230 --> 00:41:31,280
well known for that um but crowley i

1077
00:41:35,109 --> 00:41:32,240
mean you know whether you want to

1078
00:41:37,829 --> 00:41:35,119
believe him or not um has claimed

1079
00:41:39,670 --> 00:41:37,839
numerous times to summon demons these

1080
00:41:40,870 --> 00:41:39,680
entities coming out of books like ours

1081
00:41:42,870 --> 00:41:40,880
croatia

1082
00:41:43,589 --> 00:41:42,880
the sacred magic of al abramel and the

1083
00:41:45,589 --> 00:41:43,599
majority

1084
00:41:47,109 --> 00:41:45,599
in the mage exactly

1085
00:41:48,550 --> 00:41:47,119
yeah that's an interesting story with

1086
00:41:50,550 --> 00:41:48,560
that one um

1087
00:41:53,430 --> 00:41:50,560
crowley crowley went off to this house

1088
00:41:54,790 --> 00:41:53,440
um in loch ness called bowlskin house

1089
00:41:56,309 --> 00:41:54,800
or bowlerskinhouse i've heard it

1090
00:41:58,630 --> 00:41:56,319
pronounced both ways where he was doing

1091
00:42:00,630 --> 00:41:58,640
this magic called the sacred magic about

1092
00:42:01,990 --> 00:42:00,640
abramel and the mage

1093
00:42:04,790 --> 00:42:02,000
and this is where really crowley gets

1094
00:42:07,109 --> 00:42:04,800
his dark reputation um crowley viewed

1095
00:42:09,030 --> 00:42:07,119
himself believe it or not um and this is

1096
00:42:10,950 --> 00:42:09,040
going to come as a surprise crowley

1097
00:42:13,670 --> 00:42:10,960
himself viewed himself as a white

1098
00:42:16,550 --> 00:42:13,680
magician he viewed himself as a good guy

1099
00:42:19,109 --> 00:42:16,560
um i mean he he he he did not view

1100
00:42:21,270 --> 00:42:19,119
himself at all as a black magician but

1101
00:42:23,109 --> 00:42:21,280
he gets this dark reputation from doing

1102
00:42:24,630 --> 00:42:23,119
this these rights called the you know as

1103
00:42:26,950 --> 00:42:24,640
you said the rights of avermel in the

1104
00:42:29,349 --> 00:42:26,960
major part of this summoning ritual is

1105
00:42:33,190 --> 00:42:29,359
binding these hierarchies of hell um

1106
00:42:34,790 --> 00:42:33,200
demons like lucifuge rofacal belial

1107
00:42:35,910 --> 00:42:34,800
and binding them and getting them to do

1108
00:42:37,430 --> 00:42:35,920
your will

1109
00:42:38,550 --> 00:42:37,440
he's doing this at this house of loch

1110
00:42:40,790 --> 00:42:38,560
ness

1111
00:42:42,710 --> 00:42:40,800
he breaks off the ritual um there's

1112
00:42:44,309 --> 00:42:42,720
various reasons why some people say he

1113
00:42:46,309 --> 00:42:44,319
was he had to go on gold and dawn

1114
00:42:47,750 --> 00:42:46,319
business some say he he got into an

1115
00:42:49,990 --> 00:42:47,760
argument with a guy named mcgregor

1116
00:42:52,230 --> 00:42:50,000
mathers and and he had to go feud with

1117
00:42:54,470 --> 00:42:52,240
him um some claim that he just got bored

1118
00:42:56,710 --> 00:42:54,480
with the ritual and just gave it up um

1119
00:42:57,910 --> 00:42:56,720
but he was doing these rights

1120
00:42:59,510 --> 00:42:57,920
and he claims to have summoned this

1121
00:43:02,390 --> 00:42:59,520
stuff i mean he was he he wrote the

1122
00:43:05,190 --> 00:43:02,400
introduction to uh the modern copies of

1123
00:43:06,710 --> 00:43:05,200
ours croatia the lesser key of solomon

1124
00:43:10,550 --> 00:43:06,720
um which is this book you know this book

1125
00:43:14,150 --> 00:43:12,630
yeah right which he claims to have um

1126
00:43:16,069 --> 00:43:14,160
whether you want to believe it or not is

1127
00:43:18,230 --> 00:43:16,079
up really to you but i mean he you know

1128
00:43:19,670 --> 00:43:18,240
or to the person listening um but he

1129
00:43:21,750 --> 00:43:19,680
claims to have done this and certainly

1130
00:43:24,870 --> 00:43:21,760
winston churchill took this seriously

1131
00:43:27,109 --> 00:43:24,880
enough churchill was a freemason himself

1132
00:43:29,430 --> 00:43:27,119
so um you know crowley came up with this

1133
00:43:31,349 --> 00:43:29,440
idea with hess to to try to you know

1134
00:43:33,589 --> 00:43:31,359
perform some sort of croatia magic in

1135
00:43:35,670 --> 00:43:33,599
front of him um and like i said fleming

1136
00:43:37,349 --> 00:43:35,680
thought it was a good idea um but

1137
00:43:39,670 --> 00:43:37,359
against you know you know churchill

1138
00:43:41,910 --> 00:43:39,680
eventually ixnated um you know or didn't

1139
00:43:43,670 --> 00:43:41,920
want to do it um but you know i mean

1140
00:43:45,109 --> 00:43:43,680
it's a fascinating story i mean it comes

1141
00:43:47,270 --> 00:43:45,119
definitely out of the realm of you can't

1142
00:43:49,510 --> 00:43:47,280
make this stuff up um just to just to

1143
00:43:52,150 --> 00:43:49,520
wind up on this end up on this um the

1144
00:43:54,230 --> 00:43:52,160
house the house at loch ness uh bolskan

1145
00:43:56,150 --> 00:43:54,240
house or boulder skin house um this is

1146
00:43:57,589 --> 00:43:56,160
the house that was ultimately purchased

1147
00:44:00,630 --> 00:43:57,599
in the late or excuse me in the early

1148
00:44:02,870 --> 00:44:00,640
1970s by um aleister crowley enthusiast

1149
00:44:05,589 --> 00:44:02,880
jimmy page oh

1150
00:44:08,470 --> 00:44:05,599
yeah yeah the guitars were like that

1151
00:44:10,630 --> 00:44:08,480
yep and and led zeppelin of a page paige

1152
00:44:13,190 --> 00:44:10,640
paige spent numerous nights in the house

1153
00:44:16,630 --> 00:44:13,200
um paige wound up selling the house in

1154
00:44:19,589 --> 00:44:16,640
in the early 90s around 1990 1991 but

1155
00:44:21,829 --> 00:44:19,599
jimmy page claims or had claimed that

1156
00:44:24,550 --> 00:44:21,839
the house was possessed um that it was

1157
00:44:26,950 --> 00:44:24,560
haunted and he he uh chalked this up on

1158
00:44:29,670 --> 00:44:26,960
crowley's um you know summoning magic

1159
00:44:31,589 --> 00:44:29,680
there and uh and uh excuse me page

1160
00:44:33,670 --> 00:44:31,599
claimed to have seen ghosts and severed

1161
00:44:37,750 --> 00:44:33,680
heads floating around and said this was

1162
00:44:39,510 --> 00:44:37,760
all the work of aleister crowley wow

1163
00:44:41,510 --> 00:44:39,520
i wonder if that's true now is jimmy

1164
00:44:43,430 --> 00:44:41,520
page still alive

1165
00:44:45,349 --> 00:44:43,440
yeah he's still alive oh i'm gonna have

1166
00:44:48,230 --> 00:44:45,359
to try to track him down it'd be fun to

1167
00:44:50,150 --> 00:44:48,240
get him on to talk about that house

1168
00:44:51,990 --> 00:44:50,160
very quick yeah he's very quiet he's

1169
00:44:54,309 --> 00:44:52,000
very coy about aleister crowley he's a

1170
00:44:56,309 --> 00:44:54,319
big aleister crowley enthusiast a lot of

1171
00:44:58,230 --> 00:44:56,319
the led zeppelin i mean you know forget

1172
00:45:00,950 --> 00:44:58,240
the backward masking and stairway to

1173
00:45:02,470 --> 00:45:00,960
heaven right uh you know yeah you look i

1174
00:45:03,910 --> 00:45:02,480
mean a lot of the a lot of the led

1175
00:45:05,510 --> 00:45:03,920
zeppelin albums i mean i forget which

1176
00:45:07,510 --> 00:45:05,520
one it is has the tarot card of the

1177
00:45:08,870 --> 00:45:07,520
hermann on it um this is something i

1178
00:45:10,550 --> 00:45:08,880
also talked about briefly and you know

1179
00:45:12,950 --> 00:45:10,560
you mentioned about other mediums i mean

1180
00:45:14,470 --> 00:45:12,960
you'll you'll find a cult symbolism or

1181
00:45:16,390 --> 00:45:14,480
you know i mean even beetle sergeant

1182
00:45:18,790 --> 00:45:16,400
pepper um aleister crowley's on the

1183
00:45:20,950 --> 00:45:18,800
cover of that um a lot of people may not

1184
00:45:22,630 --> 00:45:20,960
be aware of it um but yeah i mean you

1185
00:45:25,190 --> 00:45:22,640
know even in the music industry and

1186
00:45:27,510 --> 00:45:25,200
music videos and tv shows um you know

1187
00:45:29,990 --> 00:45:27,520
you'll you'll find this esoterica and i

1188
00:45:32,550 --> 00:45:30,000
talk about it much more in the book

1189
00:45:34,870 --> 00:45:32,560
well crowley certainly

1190
00:45:38,550 --> 00:45:34,880
had some wide influence you know you

1191
00:45:40,950 --> 00:45:38,560
obviously influenced uh l ron hubbard

1192
00:45:43,430 --> 00:45:40,960
and in his uh

1193
00:45:44,470 --> 00:45:43,440
endeavors and in scientology

1194
00:45:45,990 --> 00:45:44,480
uh

1195
00:45:48,630 --> 00:45:46,000
you know you're talking about he was

1196
00:45:51,109 --> 00:45:48,640
involved with ian fleming even

1197
00:45:53,030 --> 00:45:51,119
uh new people like winston churchill and

1198
00:45:55,430 --> 00:45:53,040
moved in those circles it's

1199
00:45:57,190 --> 00:45:55,440
you know it's amazing and he did have

1200
00:45:59,990 --> 00:45:57,200
people uh like

1201
00:46:02,390 --> 00:46:00,000
the band led zeppelin and others and

1202
00:46:04,309 --> 00:46:02,400
like you said he was even on uh sergeant

1203
00:46:05,270 --> 00:46:04,319
pepper there was lots of ima a lot of

1204
00:46:07,109 --> 00:46:05,280
images

1205
00:46:09,030 --> 00:46:07,119
on that album cover so you might have

1206
00:46:12,470 --> 00:46:09,040
missed him but he was there

1207
00:46:14,550 --> 00:46:12,480
so it it does seem like he he had quite

1208
00:46:16,470 --> 00:46:14,560
a lot of influence and still does to

1209
00:46:18,390 --> 00:46:16,480
this day which is

1210
00:46:19,829 --> 00:46:18,400
kind of amazing

1211
00:46:22,630 --> 00:46:19,839
it's weird though that you said he

1212
00:46:24,630 --> 00:46:22,640
viewed himself as a white magician and i

1213
00:46:26,150 --> 00:46:24,640
mean because in his images and his

1214
00:46:28,550 --> 00:46:26,160
pictures it looked like he went out of

1215
00:46:30,950 --> 00:46:28,560
his way to look kind of

1216
00:46:33,430 --> 00:46:30,960
dark and foreboding

1217
00:46:37,349 --> 00:46:33,440
yeah he he he viewed himself as the good

1218
00:46:38,390 --> 00:46:37,359
guy um he you know he he he he uses he

1219
00:46:39,589 --> 00:46:38,400
does do

1220
00:46:41,190 --> 00:46:39,599
rituals that would definitely be

1221
00:46:42,710 --> 00:46:41,200
considered black magic but he would say

1222
00:46:44,790 --> 00:46:42,720
to you well i'm doing it to gain

1223
00:46:47,030 --> 00:46:44,800
knowledge so that's okay well you know

1224
00:46:48,390 --> 00:46:47,040
i'm doing it for a pure reason and if

1225
00:46:49,990 --> 00:46:48,400
you read the works of medieval

1226
00:46:52,069 --> 00:46:50,000
renaissance guys like you know

1227
00:46:53,910 --> 00:46:52,079
alchemists and kabbalists um they kind

1228
00:46:55,990 --> 00:46:53,920
of say the same thing they said if you

1229
00:46:57,190 --> 00:46:56,000
you know if you're conjuring you know i

1230
00:46:59,109 --> 00:46:57,200
mean this comes out of the world of

1231
00:47:01,349 --> 00:46:59,119
cornelius agrippa he had he wrote a book

1232
00:47:04,390 --> 00:47:01,359
on three books of a cult philosophy this

1233
00:47:07,190 --> 00:47:04,400
is this is back in the you know medieval

1234
00:47:08,550 --> 00:47:07,200
renaissance uh tradition of this and um

1235
00:47:10,230 --> 00:47:08,560
you know i mean he says in the book he

1236
00:47:11,750 --> 00:47:10,240
said you know if you're summing a demon

1237
00:47:14,950 --> 00:47:11,760
but you're using the demon for a

1238
00:47:16,390 --> 00:47:14,960
positive reason it's okay um so you know

1239
00:47:17,829 --> 00:47:16,400
whether whether you want to buy into

1240
00:47:20,630 --> 00:47:17,839
that but yeah crowley views himself as

1241
00:47:22,230 --> 00:47:20,640
the white magician um just real quick

1242
00:47:24,470 --> 00:47:22,240
i mean you're absolutely right with his

1243
00:47:25,750 --> 00:47:24,480
influence i mean you know his influence

1244
00:47:27,109 --> 00:47:25,760
yeah i mean you know there's a lot of

1245
00:47:28,390 --> 00:47:27,119
people who are in dallas to crowley

1246
00:47:31,270 --> 00:47:28,400
you're absolutely right with l ron

1247
00:47:33,190 --> 00:47:31,280
hubbard jack parsons marjorie cameron

1248
00:47:35,510 --> 00:47:33,200
the whole babylon working thing with

1249
00:47:37,910 --> 00:47:35,520
with them um i mean that's all you know

1250
00:47:40,150 --> 00:47:37,920
the following the teachings of crowley

1251
00:47:44,550 --> 00:47:40,160
um but he wrote a book he wrote a novel

1252
00:47:47,670 --> 00:47:44,560
um called moon child um and and in it he

1253
00:47:48,950 --> 00:47:47,680
he he had a big time falling out with um

1254
00:47:51,109 --> 00:47:48,960
he was a member of this group called the

1255
00:47:53,109 --> 00:47:51,119
hermetic order of the golden dawn which

1256
00:47:55,750 --> 00:47:53,119
is is is basically just a much more

1257
00:47:57,349 --> 00:47:55,760
esoteric occult version of freemasonry

1258
00:48:00,630 --> 00:47:57,359
um and they incorporate much more

1259
00:48:02,790 --> 00:48:00,640
kabbalistic astrological tarot card um

1260
00:48:05,030 --> 00:48:02,800
than masonry does but it's basically it

1261
00:48:06,710 --> 00:48:05,040
has the masonic structure to it and he

1262
00:48:09,270 --> 00:48:06,720
had a big time falling out with these

1263
00:48:12,309 --> 00:48:09,280
two um guys who were in charge of it uh

1264
00:48:14,069 --> 00:48:12,319
mcgregor mathers and a.e wait um a

1265
00:48:16,710 --> 00:48:14,079
weight was also a freemason i mean he

1266
00:48:19,109 --> 00:48:16,720
wrote a book on a masonic encyclopedia

1267
00:48:20,790 --> 00:48:19,119
but crowley had a big time falling out

1268
00:48:23,030 --> 00:48:20,800
we know the name a e weight from the

1269
00:48:25,030 --> 00:48:23,040
tarot deck right absolutely yep that's

1270
00:48:26,470 --> 00:48:25,040
it yup he's the uh waiting right or

1271
00:48:28,309 --> 00:48:26,480
weight tarot deck that's absolutely

1272
00:48:29,750 --> 00:48:28,319
right um

1273
00:48:31,670 --> 00:48:29,760
and uh crowley had a falling out with

1274
00:48:34,150 --> 00:48:31,680
these guys make a long story short

1275
00:48:36,470 --> 00:48:34,160
crowley wrote a novel called moon child

1276
00:48:39,270 --> 00:48:36,480
um which has to do with the the birth of

1277
00:48:41,190 --> 00:48:39,280
his magical baby um and and the bat the

1278
00:48:43,430 --> 00:48:41,200
baby is being battled over by a group of

1279
00:48:45,510 --> 00:48:43,440
black magicians and white magicians of

1280
00:48:46,870 --> 00:48:45,520
course the head of the white magic cult

1281
00:48:49,829 --> 00:48:46,880
the head of the white magicians is

1282
00:48:52,069 --> 00:48:49,839
crowley um he he calls himself simon if

1283
00:48:54,230 --> 00:48:52,079
in the book and and the the the black

1284
00:48:56,790 --> 00:48:54,240
magicians the the evil guys are are

1285
00:48:58,309 --> 00:48:56,800
mcgregor mathers and a.e wait i i forget

1286
00:49:00,309 --> 00:48:58,319
the name he gives to mathers but the

1287
00:49:02,230 --> 00:49:00,319
name of the a weight character is eighth

1288
00:49:04,069 --> 00:49:02,240
weight um that's kind of an obvious

1289
00:49:06,549 --> 00:49:04,079
reference so yeah i mean just you know

1290
00:49:07,829 --> 00:49:06,559
crowley kind of um sees himself as a

1291
00:49:09,750 --> 00:49:07,839
white magician but i mean let's be

1292
00:49:11,750 --> 00:49:09,760
brutally honest i mean the guy is very

1293
00:49:14,710 --> 00:49:11,760
sardonic i mean he was into some dark

1294
00:49:17,589 --> 00:49:14,720
magics um and i mean that's completely

1295
00:49:19,190 --> 00:49:17,599
irrefutable i mean he's a weird guy um

1296
00:49:21,670 --> 00:49:19,200
you know i mean he was super super

1297
00:49:24,309 --> 00:49:21,680
intelligent um you know a great

1298
00:49:25,910 --> 00:49:24,319
symbolist understood all this esoterica

1299
00:49:27,829 --> 00:49:25,920
um but he had a very you know you know

1300
00:49:29,270 --> 00:49:27,839
he's just a weird guy he had a character

1301
00:49:32,069 --> 00:49:29,280
trait probably you want to call it a

1302
00:49:33,589 --> 00:49:32,079
character flaw um he had this proclivity

1303
00:49:35,910 --> 00:49:33,599
for dumping on people that seemed to

1304
00:49:38,390 --> 00:49:35,920
genuinely care about it talked about him

1305
00:49:40,950 --> 00:49:38,400
he did it his whole life um why he did

1306
00:49:42,790 --> 00:49:40,960
that is anyone's guess um some even now

1307
00:49:44,549 --> 00:49:42,800
are suggesting that uh this was part of

1308
00:49:46,390 --> 00:49:44,559
his espionage that he would he would

1309
00:49:48,950 --> 00:49:46,400
butter himself up to somebody and then

1310
00:49:50,870 --> 00:49:48,960
once once the person you know use ran

1311
00:49:52,870 --> 00:49:50,880
out or had nothing more to give give to

1312
00:49:54,150 --> 00:49:52,880
him or he had no more knowledge to glean

1313
00:49:55,910 --> 00:49:54,160
from them you know he just threw him

1314
00:49:57,589 --> 00:49:55,920
under the bus and this could have also

1315
00:49:59,430 --> 00:49:57,599
been part of his espionage we'll

1316
00:50:01,910 --> 00:49:59,440
probably never know

1317
00:50:03,190 --> 00:50:01,920
yeah absolutely

1318
00:50:04,630 --> 00:50:03,200
so

1319
00:50:07,510 --> 00:50:04,640
now uh

1320
00:50:09,109 --> 00:50:07,520
let's move to another uh another film

1321
00:50:10,549 --> 00:50:09,119
that uh

1322
00:50:13,990 --> 00:50:10,559
that you'd like to speak about did you

1323
00:50:15,589 --> 00:50:14,000
want to talk uh more about the matrix or

1324
00:50:16,790 --> 00:50:15,599
would you rather get into something else

1325
00:50:18,390 --> 00:50:16,800
it's up to you

1326
00:50:20,150 --> 00:50:18,400
no we could we could do a little bit on

1327
00:50:21,349 --> 00:50:20,160
the matrix um

1328
00:50:23,270 --> 00:50:21,359
the making sure a lot of people were

1329
00:50:25,190 --> 00:50:23,280
interested in that

1330
00:50:26,309 --> 00:50:25,200
yeah i mean would you ask me

1331
00:50:27,510 --> 00:50:26,319
if you ask me about a movie and i

1332
00:50:28,549 --> 00:50:27,520
haven't seen it that's the worst case

1333
00:50:30,069 --> 00:50:28,559
scenarios and i'll just tell you i

1334
00:50:32,790 --> 00:50:30,079
haven't seen it but no the matrix is

1335
00:50:35,589 --> 00:50:32,800
something um the the three matrix movies

1336
00:50:38,309 --> 00:50:35,599
are um are movies that i took on in

1337
00:50:41,270 --> 00:50:38,319
cinema symbolism um the really these are

1338
00:50:43,510 --> 00:50:41,280
very gnostic movies um especially the

1339
00:50:44,710 --> 00:50:43,520
first matrix movie where you have the

1340
00:50:46,790 --> 00:50:44,720
entire

1341
00:50:48,790 --> 00:50:46,800
i'm again you know i'm going to try to

1342
00:50:50,710 --> 00:50:48,800
go through this as quickly as possible i

1343
00:50:52,390 --> 00:50:50,720
know i'll be leaving a lot out but you

1344
00:50:55,030 --> 00:50:52,400
have the idea you know within the

1345
00:50:57,190 --> 00:50:55,040
gnostic religion of the material world

1346
00:50:59,829 --> 00:50:57,200
um you know and the idea is that the

1347
00:51:02,309 --> 00:50:59,839
material world and materialism is evil

1348
00:51:04,069 --> 00:51:02,319
it's it's the falsehood um and this is

1349
00:51:05,990 --> 00:51:04,079
again the works of this lesser god

1350
00:51:09,670 --> 00:51:06,000
called the demiurge and that you should

1351
00:51:13,190 --> 00:51:09,680
shrug this off and and pursue push push

1352
00:51:16,470 --> 00:51:13,200
excuse me pursue truth and spirituality

1353
00:51:18,069 --> 00:51:16,480
and spiritual growth um and and and you

1354
00:51:19,750 --> 00:51:18,079
know by doing this by rejecting

1355
00:51:22,309 --> 00:51:19,760
materialism you live in a state of

1356
00:51:24,230 --> 00:51:22,319
poverty so you have you know and i'll

1357
00:51:27,349 --> 00:51:24,240
explain this more as i go along you have

1358
00:51:29,589 --> 00:51:27,359
in the matrix you have neo who you know

1359
00:51:33,190 --> 00:51:29,599
realizes he's in this phony world it's

1360
00:51:35,109 --> 00:51:33,200
no good um and and he wants to leave it

1361
00:51:38,589 --> 00:51:35,119
and he wants to be wiser he wants to be

1362
00:51:41,270 --> 00:51:38,599
spiritual um so he he goes into the

1363
00:51:43,349 --> 00:51:41,280
quasi-masonic temple with trinity i mean

1364
00:51:46,230 --> 00:51:43,359
of course the name trinity is all is

1365
00:51:49,190 --> 00:51:46,240
completely gnostic um this is his sacred

1366
00:51:51,190 --> 00:51:49,200
feminine um and you know this comes out

1367
00:51:54,069 --> 00:51:51,200
of the world of the naghamani gnostic

1368
00:51:56,150 --> 00:51:54,079
library where the holy trinity was uh

1369
00:51:58,549 --> 00:51:56,160
one of the elements was sophia which is

1370
00:52:01,109 --> 00:51:58,559
divine wisdom so he goes with the divine

1371
00:52:03,030 --> 00:52:01,119
wisdom sophia trinity to this masonic

1372
00:52:05,990 --> 00:52:03,040
temple goes up the flight of steps to

1373
00:52:08,710 --> 00:52:06,000
meet morpheus um part of gnosticism is

1374
00:52:10,950 --> 00:52:08,720
dualism you know man and woman sun and

1375
00:52:13,990 --> 00:52:10,960
moon good and evil so of course the name

1376
00:52:16,150 --> 00:52:14,000
morpheus is dualistic um in mythology

1377
00:52:18,069 --> 00:52:16,160
morpheus is the god of dreams and sleep

1378
00:52:20,630 --> 00:52:18,079
yet it's going to be morpheus who pulls

1379
00:52:22,309 --> 00:52:20,640
um neo out of the out of the out of the

1380
00:52:24,309 --> 00:52:22,319
phony world out of the sleep and wake

1381
00:52:26,630 --> 00:52:24,319
him up to the real world so he takes the

1382
00:52:28,230 --> 00:52:26,640
red pill he becomes alice in wonderland

1383
00:52:29,910 --> 00:52:28,240
he goes through the looking glass he

1384
00:52:32,630 --> 00:52:29,920
wakes up in the real world he gets

1385
00:52:36,150 --> 00:52:32,640
flushed down the toilet by the machines

1386
00:52:37,750 --> 00:52:36,160
um and and he gets lifted um cruciform

1387
00:52:39,750 --> 00:52:37,760
up towards the light

1388
00:52:41,270 --> 00:52:39,760
into the belly of the nebuchadnezzar

1389
00:52:43,829 --> 00:52:41,280
this is announcing neo is going to be

1390
00:52:45,510 --> 00:52:43,839
this christ-like savior of mankind he's

1391
00:52:47,829 --> 00:52:45,520
the guy who's going to bring gnosis

1392
00:52:49,910 --> 00:52:47,839
revelation to mankind this is you get

1393
00:52:52,390 --> 00:52:49,920
into the idea of luke skywalker frodo

1394
00:52:55,670 --> 00:52:52,400
baggins the christ figure the christ

1395
00:52:59,270 --> 00:52:55,680
savior archetype um this is neo in in in

1396
00:53:00,870 --> 00:52:59,280
the matrix movies this is confirmed um

1397
00:53:02,630 --> 00:53:00,880
when he's on board the ship and this is

1398
00:53:04,790 --> 00:53:02,640
in the first matrix he goes into the

1399
00:53:06,150 --> 00:53:04,800
bridge and you'll see the nameplate um

1400
00:53:09,030 --> 00:53:06,160
the manufacturer plate of the

1401
00:53:10,790 --> 00:53:09,040
nebuchadnezzar and it says mark 3 11. um

1402
00:53:13,750 --> 00:53:10,800
that's a reference to the biblical verse

1403
00:53:16,549 --> 00:53:13,760
mark 3 11 which is thou art the son of

1404
00:53:18,870 --> 00:53:16,559
man and all dark demons bow down before

1405
00:53:20,950 --> 00:53:18,880
you so this is announcing neo as this

1406
00:53:23,270 --> 00:53:20,960
christ-like savior you get into other

1407
00:53:26,230 --> 00:53:23,280
gnostic themes um of the idea of the

1408
00:53:27,829 --> 00:53:26,240
crew of the ship um living in poverty

1409
00:53:30,790 --> 00:53:27,839
but they're spiritual they're they're

1410
00:53:32,710 --> 00:53:30,800
awake um they've received gnosis um

1411
00:53:34,870 --> 00:53:32,720
they've shrugged off the material world

1412
00:53:37,910 --> 00:53:34,880
this comes from the world of a gnostic

1413
00:53:39,990 --> 00:53:37,920
teacher um known as valentinious um and

1414
00:53:42,150 --> 00:53:40,000
then you also have this other gnostic um

1415
00:53:44,710 --> 00:53:42,160
teacher named manny i mean he taught

1416
00:53:46,630 --> 00:53:44,720
this vast system of cosmology which is

1417
00:53:48,230 --> 00:53:46,640
basically good and evil light and dark

1418
00:53:50,549 --> 00:53:48,240
so you have the good guys versus the

1419
00:53:52,390 --> 00:53:50,559
evil machines light versus dark i mean

1420
00:53:55,750 --> 00:53:52,400
this is star wars the dark and light

1421
00:53:57,990 --> 00:53:55,760
side of the force it's the same thing

1422
00:54:00,230 --> 00:53:58,000
and then you have

1423
00:54:02,630 --> 00:54:00,240
um the idea of the demiurge the creator

1424
00:54:04,870 --> 00:54:02,640
of the false world this turns up in the

1425
00:54:08,150 --> 00:54:04,880
um second movie this is the architect of

1426
00:54:10,309 --> 00:54:08,160
all things and part of gnosticism was um

1427
00:54:12,630 --> 00:54:10,319
that the with helping the demiurge is

1428
00:54:13,990 --> 00:54:12,640
this group of angels called um the

1429
00:54:16,309 --> 00:54:14,000
archons and they're sort of the

1430
00:54:18,870 --> 00:54:16,319
enforcers of the architect these are the

1431
00:54:20,150 --> 00:54:18,880
agents in the matrix movie um and then

1432
00:54:21,510 --> 00:54:20,160
i'm just plowing through this believe me

1433
00:54:24,150 --> 00:54:21,520
there's a whole hell of a lot more to

1434
00:54:26,069 --> 00:54:24,160
this um but but you have the whole neo

1435
00:54:28,309 --> 00:54:26,079
as the jesus figure being killed and

1436
00:54:30,470 --> 00:54:28,319
resurrected um with the help of the

1437
00:54:32,309 --> 00:54:30,480
sacred feminine so of course he's bored

1438
00:54:34,230 --> 00:54:32,319
again and then what happens at the end

1439
00:54:37,109 --> 00:54:34,240
of the movie he ascends into heaven like

1440
00:54:40,069 --> 00:54:37,119
jesus um so you have the entire thing of

1441
00:54:42,309 --> 00:54:40,079
this gnostic fable um of coming to

1442
00:54:43,990 --> 00:54:42,319
gnosis of coming to knowledge shrugging

1443
00:54:47,829 --> 00:54:44,000
off the real world embracing the

1444
00:54:50,630 --> 00:54:47,839
spiritual world um and in in doing so um

1445
00:54:52,390 --> 00:54:50,640
neo has the divine spark within him lit

1446
00:54:54,150 --> 00:54:52,400
um and again this is part of the gnostic

1447
00:54:56,470 --> 00:54:54,160
teachings of the nagamani library you'll

1448
00:54:58,630 --> 00:54:56,480
find this in the gospel of thomas um

1449
00:55:01,910 --> 00:54:58,640
where where where neo now has this

1450
00:55:03,910 --> 00:55:01,920
divine purpose to defeat the machines um

1451
00:55:06,069 --> 00:55:03,920
and and go on and become the savior of

1452
00:55:08,150 --> 00:55:06,079
mankind you have some very interesting

1453
00:55:09,829 --> 00:55:08,160
numero you know you mentioned numerology

1454
00:55:12,309 --> 00:55:09,839
earlier um you have some very

1455
00:55:13,750 --> 00:55:12,319
interesting numerological references um

1456
00:55:15,190 --> 00:55:13,760
in the matrix and this is probably one

1457
00:55:18,630 --> 00:55:15,200
of the darkest

1458
00:55:20,790 --> 00:55:18,640
911 references pre-911 reference is is

1459
00:55:23,109 --> 00:55:20,800
the is neo's passport when he's being

1460
00:55:25,670 --> 00:55:23,119
interrogated by smith at the beginning

1461
00:55:28,870 --> 00:55:25,680
of the movie um neo's passport actually

1462
00:55:31,109 --> 00:55:28,880
expires on september 11th 2001.

1463
00:55:33,349 --> 00:55:31,119
um

1464
00:55:35,270 --> 00:55:33,359
this was before 9 11.

1465
00:55:36,829 --> 00:55:35,280
yeah that's right the the matrix movie

1466
00:55:41,030 --> 00:55:36,839
came out in

1467
00:55:42,230 --> 00:55:41,040
1999 um and if you watch the movie um

1468
00:55:44,950 --> 00:55:42,240
there's a there's a scene where they

1469
00:55:47,190 --> 00:55:44,960
flash neo's passport um and there's two

1470
00:55:49,670 --> 00:55:47,200
dates on it it's his birth date which

1471
00:55:52,309 --> 00:55:49,680
has meaning um which has a dualistic

1472
00:55:54,470 --> 00:55:52,319
meaning and and the expiration date that

1473
00:55:58,630 --> 00:55:54,480
the birth date is the birth date of neo

1474
00:56:00,789 --> 00:55:58,640
is september 13 1971 which is dualistic

1475
00:56:02,549 --> 00:56:00,799
um that's the date of the attica prison

1476
00:56:05,270 --> 00:56:02,559
riots where the state suppressed the

1477
00:56:07,589 --> 00:56:05,280
prisoners but it's the birthday of the

1478
00:56:09,750 --> 00:56:07,599
savior who's going to free the prisoners

1479
00:56:11,589 --> 00:56:09,760
mankind from the matrix

1480
00:56:14,270 --> 00:56:11,599
and then the expiration date of the

1481
00:56:18,069 --> 00:56:14,280
passport is none other than september 11

1482
00:56:20,549 --> 00:56:18,079
2001. um this came out in 1999 so i mean

1483
00:56:22,789 --> 00:56:20,559
you have this very deep dark um

1484
00:56:25,190 --> 00:56:22,799
reference to 911

1485
00:56:27,510 --> 00:56:25,200
yeah it's kind of mind-blowing yeah oh

1486
00:56:30,390 --> 00:56:27,520
yeah yeah i mean it's hard to reconcile

1487
00:56:32,150 --> 00:56:30,400
do you have an explanation for that i

1488
00:56:34,549 --> 00:56:32,160
think there's only there's only one of

1489
00:56:36,710 --> 00:56:34,559
three ways to to to write it off one is

1490
00:56:38,870 --> 00:56:36,720
it's a coincidence which you know the

1491
00:56:40,309 --> 00:56:38,880
fact that it's the whole date um is hard

1492
00:56:42,710 --> 00:56:40,319
to do and especially when you're dealing

1493
00:56:44,309 --> 00:56:42,720
with themes of 911 and this is what

1494
00:56:46,230 --> 00:56:44,319
really the movie revolves around is the

1495
00:56:48,150 --> 00:56:46,240
idea of the death of the old world the

1496
00:56:50,390 --> 00:56:48,160
start of the new world you get into the

1497
00:56:53,670 --> 00:56:50,400
idea of a new solar savior the end of

1498
00:56:54,710 --> 00:56:53,680
pisces the start of aquarius um

1499
00:56:56,950 --> 00:56:54,720
so

1500
00:56:58,710 --> 00:56:56,960
then you have the idea um that it's a

1501
00:57:00,390 --> 00:56:58,720
dark conspiracy that it's being put in

1502
00:57:02,549 --> 00:57:00,400
there on purpose i don't know if i'm

1503
00:57:05,589 --> 00:57:02,559
ready to buy into that yet then the

1504
00:57:07,190 --> 00:57:05,599
other alternative is you have the idea

1505
00:57:08,789 --> 00:57:07,200
well you have the collective unconscious

1506
00:57:11,109 --> 00:57:08,799
but then you have to that begs the

1507
00:57:12,710 --> 00:57:11,119
argument is um not you know the idea of

1508
00:57:14,870 --> 00:57:12,720
the collective unconscious is that it's

1509
00:57:15,910 --> 00:57:14,880
inherited it's in the past but then you

1510
00:57:17,670 --> 00:57:15,920
have to then you're then you're

1511
00:57:19,430 --> 00:57:17,680
confronted with the idea is the

1512
00:57:22,390 --> 00:57:19,440
collective unconscious tapping into the

1513
00:57:23,750 --> 00:57:22,400
future as well um and and you know it's

1514
00:57:25,829 --> 00:57:23,760
the collective unconscious not only

1515
00:57:28,309 --> 00:57:25,839
echoing the past but can serve as a

1516
00:57:30,549 --> 00:57:28,319
vehicle um to as a prophetic device

1517
00:57:32,069 --> 00:57:30,559
almost um and that's a fascinating

1518
00:57:33,430 --> 00:57:32,079
subject matter and you get into movies

1519
00:57:35,270 --> 00:57:33,440
as prophecy

1520
00:57:37,829 --> 00:57:35,280
that's another talking point um you'll

1521
00:57:40,950 --> 00:57:37,839
find some really screwy things going on

1522
00:57:42,549 --> 00:57:40,960
with movies as prophecy um believe me i

1523
00:57:44,470 --> 00:57:42,559
mean this comes straight out of the book

1524
00:57:47,589 --> 00:57:44,480
of you can't make this stuff up but i

1525
00:57:50,470 --> 00:57:47,599
mean by far and away the the most uh

1526
00:57:52,150 --> 00:57:50,480
scariest and dangerous not pre-911

1527
00:57:55,030 --> 00:57:52,160
reference without question is neo's

1528
00:57:57,030 --> 00:57:55,040
passport in in the matrix

1529
00:57:59,270 --> 00:57:57,040
wow

1530
00:58:01,589 --> 00:57:59,280
that is just i mean that really is

1531
00:58:03,910 --> 00:58:01,599
mind-blowing i'm going to have to try to

1532
00:58:05,589 --> 00:58:03,920
find a a screen grab of that just to

1533
00:58:07,349 --> 00:58:05,599
have a look at it

1534
00:58:09,190 --> 00:58:07,359
oh it's definitely there no it's

1535
00:58:11,190 --> 00:58:09,200
definitely there i mean you know i'm

1536
00:58:13,750 --> 00:58:11,200
sure it is i just want to see it and it

1537
00:58:16,150 --> 00:58:13,760
just sounds crazy if you if you go to

1538
00:58:18,230 --> 00:58:16,160
google just go to google type in matrix

1539
00:58:21,030 --> 00:58:18,240
neo passport believe me you'll get hits

1540
00:58:25,750 --> 00:58:22,950
oh okay great well you know what i think

1541
00:58:27,589 --> 00:58:25,760
it's a good time to take another break

1542
00:58:29,190 --> 00:58:27,599
and then we'll head on into the last

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00:58:31,510 --> 00:58:29,200
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00:58:33,750 --> 00:58:31,520
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1605
01:02:38,870 --> 01:02:37,040
robert

1606
01:02:40,870 --> 01:02:38,880
you know there was a movie that i saw

1607
01:02:43,829 --> 01:02:40,880
when it first came out

1608
01:02:46,069 --> 01:02:43,839
and it had this profound effect on me it

1609
01:02:47,589 --> 01:02:46,079
was absolutely

1610
01:02:50,309 --> 01:02:47,599
horrifying

1611
01:02:51,910 --> 01:02:50,319
and i'm talking about the exorcist and

1612
01:02:53,670 --> 01:02:51,920
when i saw it

1613
01:02:56,470 --> 01:02:53,680
uh of course it's been a long long time

1614
01:02:59,109 --> 01:02:56,480
ago and i was much much younger than

1615
01:03:01,109 --> 01:02:59,119
but it scared the bejesus out of me i

1616
01:03:02,870 --> 01:03:01,119
was afraid to go to sleep at night

1617
01:03:04,390 --> 01:03:02,880
because i was afraid that i was going to

1618
01:03:07,349 --> 01:03:04,400
get possessed

1619
01:03:09,990 --> 01:03:07,359
and i warned everyone i knew not to uh

1620
01:03:13,349 --> 01:03:10,000
see it and in fact my husband

1621
01:03:15,829 --> 01:03:13,359
uh actually fainted in the exorcist it

1622
01:03:17,750 --> 01:03:15,839
was hilarious he got up to leave and he

1623
01:03:19,430 --> 01:03:17,760
only made it through about the first

1624
01:03:22,230 --> 01:03:19,440
quarter of the movie

1625
01:03:24,549 --> 01:03:22,240
and i was escorting him up the aisle and

1626
01:03:26,309 --> 01:03:24,559
i kept noticing him getting shorter and

1627
01:03:27,910 --> 01:03:26,319
shorter and shorter until he finally

1628
01:03:30,549 --> 01:03:27,920
just hit the ground

1629
01:03:32,789 --> 01:03:30,559
they actually had nurses on duty this

1630
01:03:34,789 --> 01:03:32,799
was a big publicity thing i lived in

1631
01:03:36,390 --> 01:03:34,799
tulsa oklahoma at the time and i saw it

1632
01:03:39,670 --> 01:03:36,400
at the bowman twin

1633
01:03:41,829 --> 01:03:39,680
theater they had a nurse on duty and she

1634
01:03:44,870 --> 01:03:41,839
actually came up and and ministered to

1635
01:03:46,950 --> 01:03:44,880
my poor passed out husband i had to take

1636
01:03:49,349 --> 01:03:46,960
him home but um

1637
01:03:51,750 --> 01:03:49,359
i actually had already seen the movie he

1638
01:03:53,910 --> 01:03:51,760
didn't believe how scary it was so i

1639
01:03:55,750 --> 01:03:53,920
made him go and then of course he never

1640
01:03:57,430 --> 01:03:55,760
said another word about it after that

1641
01:03:59,750 --> 01:03:57,440
but i mean

1642
01:04:03,349 --> 01:03:59,760
the stuff in there was pretty well all

1643
01:04:05,109 --> 01:04:03,359
in your face so what was hidden in there

1644
01:04:07,750 --> 01:04:05,119
well you have a lot of hidden themes in

1645
01:04:09,829 --> 01:04:07,760
that movie um that freaking is the

1646
01:04:11,510 --> 01:04:09,839
freaking and techniques that freaking

1647
01:04:15,510 --> 01:04:11,520
employees

1648
01:04:17,510 --> 01:04:15,520
um with this um you have um the idea of

1649
01:04:19,829 --> 01:04:17,520
i mean i'll just i'll start broadly and

1650
01:04:22,789 --> 01:04:19,839
i'll try to get smaller um you have the

1651
01:04:24,789 --> 01:04:22,799
entire idea of the of the girl and

1652
01:04:26,549 --> 01:04:24,799
georgetown in general which is where the

1653
01:04:27,910 --> 01:04:26,559
most of the movie takes place the girl

1654
01:04:30,150 --> 01:04:27,920
living living with the mother in

1655
01:04:32,230 --> 01:04:30,160
georgetown on the idea of darkness

1656
01:04:34,630 --> 01:04:32,240
invading um

1657
01:04:36,470 --> 01:04:34,640
the the the the town the campus and

1658
01:04:39,270 --> 01:04:36,480
eventually the the house and her of

1659
01:04:41,190 --> 01:04:39,280
course she gets possessed

1660
01:04:44,470 --> 01:04:41,200
and of course you have um you know

1661
01:04:46,230 --> 01:04:44,480
darkness associates with evil so how do

1662
01:04:47,990 --> 01:04:46,240
how do they kind of convey this to you

1663
01:04:51,029 --> 01:04:48,000
and and he he doesn't you know friedkin

1664
01:04:52,309 --> 01:04:51,039
does really this neat trick with this um

1665
01:04:54,390 --> 01:04:52,319
you know he doesn't flash it on the

1666
01:04:55,829 --> 01:04:54,400
screen but but the idea that you know

1667
01:04:57,670 --> 01:04:55,839
that that

1668
01:04:59,910 --> 01:04:57,680
this is something a lot of movie makers

1669
01:05:01,430 --> 01:04:59,920
play around with is weather um and and

1670
01:05:04,309 --> 01:05:01,440
the time of the year

1671
01:05:05,990 --> 01:05:04,319
and what you have in the exorcist is um

1672
01:05:07,270 --> 01:05:06,000
when the when the actress is walking

1673
01:05:09,990 --> 01:05:07,280
home from the photo shoot shoots

1674
01:05:11,589 --> 01:05:10,000
accosted by trick-or-treaters so this is

1675
01:05:13,109 --> 01:05:11,599
putting in your unconscious mind that

1676
01:05:15,270 --> 01:05:13,119
it's halloween

1677
01:05:17,430 --> 01:05:15,280
and halloween of course is the halfway

1678
01:05:20,150 --> 01:05:17,440
point between the autumn equinox and the

1679
01:05:22,549 --> 01:05:20,160
winter solstice when the days in the

1680
01:05:25,589 --> 01:05:22,559
northern hemisphere where light i.e you

1681
01:05:28,470 --> 01:05:25,599
know divine light is decreased and

1682
01:05:31,510 --> 01:05:28,480
darkness or evil is exalted so what he's

1683
01:05:33,910 --> 01:05:31,520
doing um by doing by showing you that is

1684
01:05:36,069 --> 01:05:33,920
is telling you that darkness is coming

1685
01:05:37,829 --> 01:05:36,079
that um you know the darkness is on its

1686
01:05:39,029 --> 01:05:37,839
way believe it or not i'll just face

1687
01:05:40,870 --> 01:05:39,039
what i'll get back to the extras in a

1688
01:05:42,789 --> 01:05:40,880
minute stanley kubrick does this exact

1689
01:05:44,710 --> 01:05:42,799
same trick in the in in the shining

1690
01:05:46,870 --> 01:05:44,720
movie when jack torrance gets to the

1691
01:05:48,309 --> 01:05:46,880
hotel the um

1692
01:05:50,390 --> 01:05:48,319
the the the

1693
01:05:54,230 --> 01:05:50,400
allman the the hotel manager tells him

1694
01:05:56,230 --> 01:05:54,240
that the hotel closes on october 30th um

1695
01:05:58,549 --> 01:05:56,240
and so you know that when they arrive at

1696
01:06:00,549 --> 01:05:58,559
the hotel it's halloween and again this

1697
01:06:02,630 --> 01:06:00,559
is the darkness coming um it's the

1698
01:06:04,710 --> 01:06:02,640
darker half of the year this is why all

1699
01:06:06,870 --> 01:06:04,720
the ghosts and the demons come out in in

1700
01:06:08,710 --> 01:06:06,880
the overlook the play because darkness

1701
01:06:11,190 --> 01:06:08,720
is exalted in the northern hemisphere

1702
01:06:13,670 --> 01:06:11,200
it's the same thing in the omen um or

1703
01:06:15,430 --> 01:06:13,680
excuse me in the in the exorcist by

1704
01:06:17,029 --> 01:06:15,440
planting that in there

1705
01:06:19,430 --> 01:06:17,039
he's telling you that darkness is on his

1706
01:06:21,670 --> 01:06:19,440
way then you have the idea or the the

1707
01:06:24,309 --> 01:06:21,680
character of damien carris the the

1708
01:06:26,549 --> 01:06:24,319
jesuit priest um he is going to be the

1709
01:06:29,430 --> 01:06:26,559
little girl's christ savior um he's

1710
01:06:32,230 --> 01:06:29,440
going to exercise the demon from her

1711
01:06:35,190 --> 01:06:32,240
he he is going to become her personal

1712
01:06:38,069 --> 01:06:35,200
god um this is what's called apotheosis

1713
01:06:40,150 --> 01:06:38,079
um and to symbolize this uh he does a

1714
01:06:42,549 --> 01:06:40,160
couple of friedkin does a couple unique

1715
01:06:45,750 --> 01:06:42,559
unique things on this one is um he

1716
01:06:47,910 --> 01:06:45,760
constantly is showing you um

1717
01:06:49,829 --> 01:06:47,920
terrace in a state of ascension

1718
01:06:53,430 --> 01:06:49,839
if you pay attention to the movie karis

1719
01:06:55,190 --> 01:06:53,440
is always moving up hills up stairways

1720
01:06:57,910 --> 01:06:55,200
and in fact when he's introduced into

1721
01:07:00,390 --> 01:06:57,920
the movie he's actually coming up from a

1722
01:07:03,029 --> 01:07:00,400
street onto a subway platform

1723
01:07:06,150 --> 01:07:03,039
um and to announce um carris as the

1724
01:07:07,829 --> 01:07:06,160
christ figure as the apotheosis uh the

1725
01:07:09,829 --> 01:07:07,839
apartheid you know the person who's

1726
01:07:11,109 --> 01:07:09,839
going to become the girl's apartheid um

1727
01:07:12,309 --> 01:07:11,119
apotheos

1728
01:07:14,390 --> 01:07:12,319
savior

1729
01:07:17,190 --> 01:07:14,400
he comes up from 33rd street of all

1730
01:07:19,990 --> 01:07:17,200
things and of course 33rd is a reference

1731
01:07:23,029 --> 01:07:20,000
um to jesus christ that's how many years

1732
01:07:24,789 --> 01:07:23,039
christ was on earth was 33 years um and

1733
01:07:26,150 --> 01:07:24,799
then of course but carys is always in a

1734
01:07:28,710 --> 01:07:26,160
state of doubt he's doubting his

1735
01:07:30,950 --> 01:07:28,720
religion um and and this is symbolized

1736
01:07:32,710 --> 01:07:30,960
at the end when he gets killed um he

1737
01:07:35,109 --> 01:07:32,720
falls down the flight of steps despite

1738
01:07:37,510 --> 01:07:35,119
the fact he saved the girl but but to

1739
01:07:39,270 --> 01:07:37,520
symbolize his his doubt that permeates

1740
01:07:41,109 --> 01:07:39,280
the whole family falls down the flight

1741
01:07:43,029 --> 01:07:41,119
of steps and in fact

1742
01:07:44,789 --> 01:07:43,039
when when charis is introduced coming up

1743
01:07:46,789 --> 01:07:44,799
from 33rd street he goes into his

1744
01:07:49,029 --> 01:07:46,799
mother's house you pay attention spray

1745
01:07:51,349 --> 01:07:49,039
painted on the wall um outside the

1746
01:07:53,430 --> 01:07:51,359
mother's house is the word quit um which

1747
01:07:55,510 --> 01:07:53,440
is actually symbolizing his his doubt

1748
01:07:56,789 --> 01:07:55,520
that permeates the whole movie works

1749
01:07:58,549 --> 01:07:56,799
yeah exactly

1750
01:08:01,589 --> 01:07:58,559
then you have

1751
01:08:04,309 --> 01:08:01,599
i'm jumping around a little bit here but

1752
01:08:07,109 --> 01:08:04,319
then you have terrace who um

1753
01:08:08,549 --> 01:08:07,119
who who like exercises the girl when

1754
01:08:10,789 --> 01:08:08,559
he's laying at the bottom of the steps

1755
01:08:12,470 --> 01:08:10,799
at the end dying you'll see spray

1756
01:08:14,150 --> 01:08:12,480
painted on the wall next to them on the

1757
01:08:16,630 --> 01:08:14,160
left side pigs

1758
01:08:18,709 --> 01:08:16,640
this is a reference to the

1759
01:08:21,189 --> 01:08:18,719
gospel tale of jesus exercising the

1760
01:08:23,910 --> 01:08:21,199
demon from the man and casting it into a

1761
01:08:25,910 --> 01:08:23,920
herd of pigs so we know the exorcism is

1762
01:08:27,990 --> 01:08:25,920
successful we know that charis has

1763
01:08:29,990 --> 01:08:28,000
gotten the demon out although it's cost

1764
01:08:31,669 --> 01:08:30,000
him his own life and again his doubt is

1765
01:08:34,630 --> 01:08:31,679
symbolized by him going down the flight

1766
01:08:37,030 --> 01:08:34,640
of steps you have the whole idea of of

1767
01:08:38,550 --> 01:08:37,040
light versus dark in this movie um and

1768
01:08:41,430 --> 01:08:38,560
of course you have the girl being

1769
01:08:43,110 --> 01:08:41,440
invaded by darkness um and and so how

1770
01:08:45,030 --> 01:08:43,120
does the mother get you know how's the

1771
01:08:47,349 --> 01:08:45,040
mother gonna cast the darkness out she

1772
01:08:49,430 --> 01:08:47,359
calls in the sun priests um the two

1773
01:08:52,149 --> 01:08:49,440
jesuits and of course the symbol for the

1774
01:08:54,229 --> 01:08:52,159
jesuits is the sun so you have you know

1775
01:08:55,910 --> 01:08:54,239
light versus dark the sun priests who

1776
01:08:58,229 --> 01:08:55,920
are going to cast out the evil demon

1777
01:09:00,070 --> 01:08:58,239
from the little girl um you have some

1778
01:09:02,229 --> 01:09:00,080
very other veiled imagery going on in

1779
01:09:05,189 --> 01:09:02,239
the exorcist that's very unique um the

1780
01:09:08,229 --> 01:09:05,199
one scene comes to mind where

1781
01:09:11,910 --> 01:09:08,239
chris mcneil um is sitting at the at the

1782
01:09:13,510 --> 01:09:11,920
institution um with the doctors um and

1783
01:09:14,789 --> 01:09:13,520
and and they've given up they don't know

1784
01:09:16,229 --> 01:09:14,799
what's wrong with the little girl this

1785
01:09:18,309 --> 01:09:16,239
is where she's becoming possessed and

1786
01:09:19,749 --> 01:09:18,319
it's getting worse and worse and and the

1787
01:09:21,430 --> 01:09:19,759
one doctor says something to the effect

1788
01:09:24,390 --> 01:09:21,440
of you know it's it's some some sort of

1789
01:09:26,630 --> 01:09:24,400
some manual or sleep disorder possession

1790
01:09:28,470 --> 01:09:26,640
disorder we don't know what it is and

1791
01:09:30,550 --> 01:09:28,480
and this is where you know chris is

1792
01:09:31,829 --> 01:09:30,560
really giving up and and finally the

1793
01:09:34,309 --> 01:09:31,839
doctor says have you ever thought of

1794
01:09:36,149 --> 01:09:34,319
exorcism and and you know you have you

1795
01:09:38,229 --> 01:09:36,159
you gotta you're gonna need a spiritual

1796
01:09:40,390 --> 01:09:38,239
cure for this little girl if you pay

1797
01:09:41,990 --> 01:09:40,400
attention to that scene um and this is

1798
01:09:44,950 --> 01:09:42,000
where really chris comes to the

1799
01:09:47,590 --> 01:09:44,960
conclusion that um that that a spiritual

1800
01:09:48,950 --> 01:09:47,600
cure is needed for the daughter um what

1801
01:09:50,789 --> 01:09:48,960
friedkin does is he does something

1802
01:09:53,110 --> 01:09:50,799
that's very unique he actually

1803
01:09:54,149 --> 01:09:53,120
replicates da vinci's last supper

1804
01:09:56,630 --> 01:09:54,159
painting

1805
01:09:59,110 --> 01:09:56,640
in that scene where you have chris the

1806
01:10:01,510 --> 01:09:59,120
mother as christ sitting at the head of

1807
01:10:05,189 --> 01:10:01,520
the table and she's surrounded by four

1808
01:10:07,590 --> 01:10:05,199
groups um of three doctors um and and

1809
01:10:09,830 --> 01:10:07,600
what this is symbolizing is that you

1810
01:10:12,229 --> 01:10:09,840
know the spiritual cure is needed for

1811
01:10:14,470 --> 01:10:12,239
the little girl and actually chris even

1812
01:10:17,110 --> 01:10:14,480
confirms this even further i can't

1813
01:10:18,390 --> 01:10:17,120
repeat the word um because you know i

1814
01:10:20,630 --> 01:10:18,400
just can't but she says something to the

1815
01:10:23,430 --> 01:10:20,640
effect of 88 doctors here and all of

1816
01:10:24,630 --> 01:10:23,440
your you know what um no one can help me

1817
01:10:27,270 --> 01:10:24,640
it's interesting she would pick the

1818
01:10:29,750 --> 01:10:27,280
number 88 um because in in greek

1819
01:10:33,030 --> 01:10:29,760
germatria the number 888 is actually

1820
01:10:34,630 --> 01:10:33,040
jesus christ um so you have that's going

1821
01:10:36,470 --> 01:10:34,640
on you have that veiled reference and

1822
01:10:38,550 --> 01:10:36,480
the and you know this is going on again

1823
01:10:40,630 --> 01:10:38,560
where freaking is symbolically creating

1824
01:10:42,950 --> 01:10:40,640
this last supper scene so in the in the

1825
01:10:46,709 --> 01:10:42,960
in the exorcist movie you have this

1826
01:10:48,310 --> 01:10:46,719
whole idea of apotheosis ascension um uh

1827
01:10:51,030 --> 01:10:48,320
the the you know the light versus

1828
01:10:53,910 --> 01:10:51,040
darkness um and some just very adroitly

1829
01:10:56,149 --> 01:10:53,920
concealed um subliminal messaging going

1830
01:10:57,830 --> 01:10:56,159
on with the trick-or-treaters with you

1831
01:11:00,550 --> 01:10:57,840
know with the last supper painting to

1832
01:11:02,870 --> 01:11:00,560
convey this overarching religious um

1833
01:11:05,510 --> 01:11:02,880
struggle of light versus dark caught

1834
01:11:07,189 --> 01:11:05,520
manichaean cosmology um of course in

1835
01:11:09,669 --> 01:11:07,199
christianity this is god versus the

1836
01:11:12,550 --> 01:11:09,679
devil light versus dark jesus versus you

1837
01:11:14,709 --> 01:11:12,560
know the you know the demons um and

1838
01:11:17,350 --> 01:11:14,719
going on in the exorcist you'll find

1839
01:11:19,990 --> 01:11:17,360
that the a lot of these same techniques

1840
01:11:22,550 --> 01:11:20,000
the same arcana the same symbolism um

1841
01:11:24,950 --> 01:11:22,560
being used in the movie um believe it or

1842
01:11:27,030 --> 01:11:24,960
not um gangs of new york uh the martin

1843
01:11:29,750 --> 01:11:27,040
scorsese movie um

1844
01:11:32,550 --> 01:11:29,760
scorsese uses similar techniques to

1845
01:11:34,870 --> 01:11:32,560
imbue the movie um with this whole

1846
01:11:37,750 --> 01:11:34,880
overarching religious stream uh

1847
01:11:41,030 --> 01:11:37,760
religious theme of amsterdam valen

1848
01:11:43,110 --> 01:11:41,040
versus bill cutting at god versus the

1849
01:11:44,790 --> 01:11:43,120
devil good versus evil it's a

1850
01:11:46,310 --> 01:11:44,800
fascinating study gangs in new york is

1851
01:11:48,149 --> 01:11:46,320
actually a movie i'm taking one in

1852
01:11:49,590 --> 01:11:48,159
cinema symbolism too but if you're

1853
01:11:51,990 --> 01:11:49,600
interested in the exorcist there's more

1854
01:11:53,590 --> 01:11:52,000
to it i get into it more into the book

1855
01:11:55,910 --> 01:11:53,600
cinema symbolism i have a whole chapter

1856
01:11:58,950 --> 01:11:55,920
on the exorcist in fact it's the first

1857
01:12:00,390 --> 01:11:58,960
um chapter of the book

1858
01:12:03,110 --> 01:12:00,400
right now

1859
01:12:05,990 --> 01:12:03,120
you just mentioned uh cinema symbolism

1860
01:12:08,630 --> 01:12:06,000
two so you are in the process of

1861
01:12:10,550 --> 01:12:08,640
writing a second volume yes that's

1862
01:12:12,550 --> 01:12:10,560
absolutely right um

1863
01:12:15,669 --> 01:12:12,560
renee when i was writing cinema

1864
01:12:18,870 --> 01:12:15,679
symbolism um what happened was

1865
01:12:21,189 --> 01:12:18,880
i took on um these three the three movie

1866
01:12:23,669 --> 01:12:21,199
series that involve a ton of arcana

1867
01:12:25,990 --> 01:12:23,679
joseph campbell's monomyth which is the

1868
01:12:28,630 --> 01:12:26,000
solar journey just a lot of mystical

1869
01:12:30,790 --> 01:12:28,640
themes religious themes i took on all

1870
01:12:32,310 --> 01:12:30,800
six of the star wars movies

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01:12:34,390 --> 01:12:32,320
both trilogies

1872
01:12:36,470 --> 01:12:34,400
i took on the matrix movies and then i

1873
01:12:39,030 --> 01:12:36,480
took on the lord of the rings movies my

1874
01:12:41,270 --> 01:12:39,040
original plan was after that i was going

1875
01:12:43,430 --> 01:12:41,280
to take on the eight harry potter movies

1876
01:12:45,430 --> 01:12:43,440
because this also ties into the christ

1877
01:12:47,270 --> 01:12:45,440
figure you know the the harry potter

1878
01:12:49,750 --> 01:12:47,280
going against the evil lord

1879
01:12:51,030 --> 01:12:49,760
um the evil dark lord but i thought you

1880
01:12:53,590 --> 01:12:51,040
know i mean i thought this book will

1881
01:12:55,189 --> 01:12:53,600
never end i mean there was just no way

1882
01:12:57,189 --> 01:12:55,199
yeah i mean there's just no way in how i

1883
01:12:58,630 --> 01:12:57,199
can take on any harry potter movies so

1884
01:13:00,709 --> 01:12:58,640
again the light bulb went off over my

1885
01:13:02,149 --> 01:13:00,719
head okay i thought well rather than do

1886
01:13:03,910 --> 01:13:02,159
that let's just take the harry potter

1887
01:13:05,830 --> 01:13:03,920
material out and i'll do another book

1888
01:13:07,270 --> 01:13:05,840
i'll just do cinema symbolism too you

1889
01:13:09,590 --> 01:13:07,280
know i can't throw everything in this

1890
01:13:12,470 --> 01:13:09,600
one so that's what i'm doing um i'm

1891
01:13:14,550 --> 01:13:12,480
writing cinema symbolism too as we speak

1892
01:13:16,790 --> 01:13:14,560
and i'm doing the harry potter material

1893
01:13:19,189 --> 01:13:16,800
i'm taking on the cs lewis material the

1894
01:13:20,550 --> 01:13:19,199
tolkien material i did in um cinema

1895
01:13:21,990 --> 01:13:20,560
symbolism the one that's out now but

1896
01:13:23,830 --> 01:13:22,000
i'll probably get into some of the stuff

1897
01:13:26,470 --> 01:13:23,840
with the hobbit with tolkien i'm going

1898
01:13:28,390 --> 01:13:26,480
to do the cs lewis material other other

1899
01:13:30,550 --> 01:13:28,400
movies that i'm doing are the some of

1900
01:13:33,030 --> 01:13:30,560
the alan moore material things like v

1901
01:13:34,390 --> 01:13:33,040
for vendetta from hal watchman

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01:13:37,669 --> 01:13:34,400
um

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01:13:39,990 --> 01:13:37,679
i'm trying to think of some of the oh

1904
01:13:42,229 --> 01:13:40,000
the shining i'm revisiting the shining

1905
01:13:44,790 --> 01:13:42,239
um the shining is a movie that i take on

1906
01:13:46,070 --> 01:13:44,800
briefly in cinema symbolism i go much

1907
01:13:48,149 --> 01:13:46,080
more in depth with this in cinema

1908
01:13:49,910 --> 01:13:48,159
symbolism too um and yeah you're right

1909
01:13:51,030 --> 01:13:49,920
this is a book that i'm uh working on

1910
01:13:53,990 --> 01:13:51,040
right now

1911
01:13:56,390 --> 01:13:54,000
wow now i want to lighten things up uh

1912
01:13:59,110 --> 01:13:56,400
toward the end of the show here with

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01:14:01,830 --> 01:13:59,120
and talk about um monty python and the

1914
01:14:04,390 --> 01:14:01,840
holy grail but before we do

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01:14:08,070 --> 01:14:04,400
uh if i could throw a quick question to

1916
01:14:10,390 --> 01:14:08,080
you from the chat room uh neutron wants

1917
01:14:12,870 --> 01:14:10,400
to know if you've ever gotten into some

1918
01:14:16,790 --> 01:14:12,880
of the alice bailey stuff

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01:14:19,590 --> 01:14:16,800
like initiation and and have you

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01:14:21,350 --> 01:14:19,600
drawn any conclusions or any tie-ins

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01:14:23,270 --> 01:14:21,360
with any films with the alice bailey

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01:14:26,630 --> 01:14:23,280
material i know you mentioned

1923
01:14:28,390 --> 01:14:26,640
uh helena blavatsky earlier

1924
01:14:31,430 --> 01:14:28,400
yeah no um well blavats he was the

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01:14:33,669 --> 01:14:31,440
founder of theosophy um alice bailey and

1926
01:14:36,390 --> 01:14:33,679
um uh what's her name annie biscent were

1927
01:14:38,229 --> 01:14:36,400
sort of like blavatsky disciples yeah

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01:14:40,550 --> 01:14:38,239
i'm so sort of you know paralleling the

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01:14:43,430 --> 01:14:40,560
same material you know sort of

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01:14:45,750 --> 01:14:43,440
i'm familiar who alex bailey is um but

1931
01:14:47,669 --> 01:14:45,760
you know you know i i don't really um i

1932
01:14:50,149 --> 01:14:47,679
i really take more of a theosophical

1933
01:14:51,110 --> 01:14:50,159
gnostic theme than i would say of alice

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01:14:52,070 --> 01:14:51,120
bailey

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01:14:57,270 --> 01:14:52,080
i see

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01:14:59,350 --> 01:14:57,280
her views or some might be encompassed

1937
01:15:01,270 --> 01:14:59,360
in that levoski material since she was

1938
01:15:04,070 --> 01:15:01,280
absolutely absolutely no i'm yeah

1939
01:15:05,910 --> 01:15:04,080
exactly correct exactly right

1940
01:15:08,950 --> 01:15:05,920
okay so

1941
01:15:10,870 --> 01:15:08,960
the holy grail monty python

1942
01:15:12,709 --> 01:15:10,880
the funniest movie i ever saw in my

1943
01:15:14,950 --> 01:15:12,719
entire life

1944
01:15:16,790 --> 01:15:14,960
i think i saw it like a million times

1945
01:15:19,350 --> 01:15:16,800
when it was on uh

1946
01:15:21,350 --> 01:15:19,360
cable television when uh cable

1947
01:15:23,270 --> 01:15:21,360
television was brand new

1948
01:15:26,310 --> 01:15:23,280
uh back in the

1949
01:15:29,030 --> 01:15:26,320
70s 80s and i remember we had a channel

1950
01:15:30,870 --> 01:15:29,040
called the z channel which was movies

1951
01:15:32,310 --> 01:15:30,880
and they and they showed money python in

1952
01:15:35,430 --> 01:15:32,320
the holy grail

1953
01:15:37,910 --> 01:15:35,440
and i watched it over and over again i i

1954
01:15:39,430 --> 01:15:37,920
it was so hilarious but what was hidden

1955
01:15:42,790 --> 01:15:39,440
in there of course we have the grail

1956
01:15:43,830 --> 01:15:42,800
symbology but what uh what might i have

1957
01:15:47,110 --> 01:15:43,840
missed

1958
01:15:49,669 --> 01:15:47,120
well the the the whole king arthur story

1959
01:15:51,189 --> 01:15:49,679
um is a solar allegory where king arthur

1960
01:15:52,709 --> 01:15:51,199
is the sun

1961
01:15:55,430 --> 01:15:52,719
and then of course green venom queen

1962
01:15:57,189 --> 01:15:55,440
guinevere is the moon um and then the

1963
01:15:59,350 --> 01:15:57,199
knights of the round table the table is

1964
01:16:01,990 --> 01:15:59,360
round symbolizing the zodiac wheel and

1965
01:16:04,310 --> 01:16:02,000
the knights are um the houses of the

1966
01:16:06,630 --> 01:16:04,320
zodiac that help him you know you know

1967
01:16:08,709 --> 01:16:06,640
leo you know is lancelot his favorite

1968
01:16:11,510 --> 01:16:08,719
knight that's the soul house of the sun

1969
01:16:13,910 --> 01:16:11,520
so you have with um with with with the

1970
01:16:17,750 --> 01:16:13,920
king arthur's story is just this really

1971
01:16:19,430 --> 01:16:17,760
um astrological astro theological story

1972
01:16:21,110 --> 01:16:19,440
i'll go i'll get into monty python in

1973
01:16:22,550 --> 01:16:21,120
the holy grail in a minute if you want

1974
01:16:24,470 --> 01:16:22,560
to see this played out and this is a

1975
01:16:27,510 --> 01:16:24,480
movie i took on in royal arch of enoch

1976
01:16:29,350 --> 01:16:27,520
if you want to see the astrological um

1977
01:16:30,709 --> 01:16:29,360
symbolism surrounding the king arthur

1978
01:16:31,910 --> 01:16:30,719
legend the best movie for it is

1979
01:16:34,310 --> 01:16:31,920
excalibur

1980
01:16:37,189 --> 01:16:34,320
the john borman movie um that that that

1981
01:16:39,910 --> 01:16:37,199
is without question the best movie for

1982
01:16:42,310 --> 01:16:39,920
the astrological motifs with king arthur

1983
01:16:45,510 --> 01:16:42,320
as the sun you know he draws the sword

1984
01:16:47,669 --> 01:16:45,520
from the stone on easter sunday the sun

1985
01:16:49,910 --> 01:16:47,679
the the sword is the excalibur that's

1986
01:16:51,510 --> 01:16:49,920
the sun ray the sun is drawing the sword

1987
01:16:53,669 --> 01:16:51,520
from the stone this is in christianity

1988
01:16:56,470 --> 01:16:53,679
where the stone is rolled away and jesus

1989
01:16:58,470 --> 01:16:56,480
emerges from the tomb um

1990
01:17:00,790 --> 01:16:58,480
and you have the you know whole idea of

1991
01:17:03,270 --> 01:17:00,800
when king arthur is weak and dying this

1992
01:17:05,350 --> 01:17:03,280
is again the autumn month where scorpio

1993
01:17:07,030 --> 01:17:05,360
is exalted and that's who mordred is

1994
01:17:08,950 --> 01:17:07,040
this is why mordred doesn't carry the

1995
01:17:11,270 --> 01:17:08,960
sword he carries the the spear which is

1996
01:17:13,270 --> 01:17:11,280
the scorpion stinger since the sun is in

1997
01:17:15,430 --> 01:17:13,280
that house he wears the golden armor so

1998
01:17:17,750 --> 01:17:15,440
you have this entire astrologe deep

1999
01:17:20,070 --> 01:17:17,760
astrological motif going on in the

2000
01:17:22,070 --> 01:17:20,080
arthurian legend you want to see it it's

2001
01:17:24,229 --> 01:17:22,080
in excalibur it's the best movie but

2002
01:17:26,550 --> 01:17:24,239
again these motifs turn up in in monty

2003
01:17:29,189 --> 01:17:26,560
python the holy grail it is after all a

2004
01:17:29,910 --> 01:17:29,199
king arthur's story and you have within

2005
01:17:32,550 --> 01:17:29,920
the

2006
01:17:34,790 --> 01:17:32,560
uh monty python troupe i should mention

2007
01:17:37,510 --> 01:17:34,800
terry gilliam who is very interested in

2008
01:17:39,510 --> 01:17:37,520
gnosticism mysticism you you'll find

2009
01:17:41,110 --> 01:17:39,520
you'll find um a lot of his movies

2010
01:17:44,310 --> 01:17:41,120
incorporate

2011
01:17:46,149 --> 01:17:44,320
these themes um for example 12 monkeys

2012
01:17:48,709 --> 01:17:46,159
um where you have the christ figure

2013
01:17:50,790 --> 01:17:48,719
james cole jc jesus christ coming back

2014
01:17:53,030 --> 01:17:50,800
in time looking for the 12 houses of the

2015
01:17:55,110 --> 01:17:53,040
zodiac the 12 monkeys in order to save

2016
01:17:56,550 --> 01:17:55,120
mankind from itself and movies like

2017
01:17:57,590 --> 01:17:56,560
brazil

2018
01:17:59,590 --> 01:17:57,600
baron

2019
01:18:02,390 --> 01:17:59,600
again very gnostic very hermetical in

2020
01:18:04,870 --> 01:18:02,400
nature i mean with with holy grail i

2021
01:18:07,310 --> 01:18:04,880
mean you have king arthur as the sun um

2022
01:18:10,149 --> 01:18:07,320
is a representation of the thought is a

2023
01:18:12,550 --> 01:18:10,159
representation of the sun um if you

2024
01:18:14,070 --> 01:18:12,560
think i'm stretching this point take a

2025
01:18:16,470 --> 01:18:14,080
look at the movie and take a look at the

2026
01:18:17,510 --> 01:18:16,480
emblem on king arthur's chest and on his

2027
01:18:18,950 --> 01:18:17,520
banner

2028
01:18:20,149 --> 01:18:18,960
when he's hopping around with the two

2029
01:18:22,310 --> 01:18:20,159
coconuts

2030
01:18:23,750 --> 01:18:22,320
even patsy has it even patsy has it on

2031
01:18:25,270 --> 01:18:23,760
his tunic

2032
01:18:26,790 --> 01:18:25,280
take a look at what that symbol is if

2033
01:18:29,590 --> 01:18:26,800
you want to know who who or what king

2034
01:18:31,510 --> 01:18:29,600
arthur symbolizes um and then you have

2035
01:18:33,669 --> 01:18:31,520
of course you have some very interesting

2036
01:18:35,510 --> 01:18:33,679
esoterica going on yeah i mean you have

2037
01:18:37,030 --> 01:18:35,520
the whole thing of night versus day good

2038
01:18:39,350 --> 01:18:37,040
versus darkness

2039
01:18:41,030 --> 01:18:39,360
the black knight going against the sun

2040
01:18:42,709 --> 01:18:41,040
and of course you can't have darkness

2041
01:18:44,470 --> 01:18:42,719
without you know

2042
01:18:46,070 --> 01:18:44,480
you can't have darkness without light so

2043
01:18:48,390 --> 01:18:46,080
they can't defeat each other they have a

2044
01:18:50,709 --> 01:18:48,400
draw then you've got the one one knight

2045
01:18:52,790 --> 01:18:50,719
who's the y the wise men there's no

2046
01:18:55,510 --> 01:18:52,800
there's no merlin um the merlin guy is

2047
01:18:57,750 --> 01:18:55,520
excised out of um is excited out of an

2048
01:19:00,070 --> 01:18:57,760
excalibur so the wizard character is sir

2049
01:19:02,070 --> 01:19:00,080
betomir and of course his coat of arms

2050
01:19:04,470 --> 01:19:02,080
is the tree which is the kabbalistic

2051
01:19:05,830 --> 01:19:04,480
tree of life so this is he's the wise

2052
01:19:07,750 --> 01:19:05,840
guy he's the guy who has all the

2053
01:19:09,189 --> 01:19:07,760
knowledge

2054
01:19:13,430 --> 01:19:09,199
and then you'll find some very

2055
01:19:16,470 --> 01:19:13,440
astrological motifs i'm going on um with

2056
01:19:18,630 --> 01:19:16,480
with signs of the zodiac um and opposite

2057
01:19:20,870 --> 01:19:18,640
signs where you have the the gemini the

2058
01:19:23,430 --> 01:19:20,880
twins guarding sagittarius the little

2059
01:19:25,350 --> 01:19:23,440
guy shooting the arrow out the window

2060
01:19:27,590 --> 01:19:25,360
and then you have when king arthur and

2061
01:19:29,510 --> 01:19:27,600
the knights come out of winter um at the

2062
01:19:32,470 --> 01:19:29,520
at the vernal equinox they encounter who

2063
01:19:34,790 --> 01:19:32,480
else but ares the ram who is tim um who

2064
01:19:36,950 --> 01:19:34,800
has the rams horns on each on each side

2065
01:19:39,350 --> 01:19:36,960
of his head and his fire obsessed

2066
01:19:41,110 --> 01:19:39,360
because ares is a fire sign you know

2067
01:19:42,870 --> 01:19:41,120
where does he take them he takes them to

2068
01:19:44,790 --> 01:19:42,880
the cave which is the little bunny

2069
01:19:47,270 --> 01:19:44,800
rabbit and again this ties into um

2070
01:19:49,110 --> 01:19:47,280
spring worship with um with goddess

2071
01:19:50,790 --> 01:19:49,120
figures like astara

2072
01:19:52,229 --> 01:19:50,800
which has the hair head and of course

2073
01:19:54,790 --> 01:19:52,239
this is where the whole thing with the

2074
01:19:56,630 --> 01:19:54,800
easter bunny comes from so you'll find

2075
01:19:58,950 --> 01:19:56,640
um again you know with the arthurian

2076
01:20:00,630 --> 01:19:58,960
legend these very solar astrological

2077
01:20:01,910 --> 01:20:00,640
motifs going on

2078
01:20:04,790 --> 01:20:01,920
and you'll really find them more in

2079
01:20:07,030 --> 01:20:04,800
excalibur but they do rub off in monty

2080
01:20:09,030 --> 01:20:07,040
python and the holy grail um this whole

2081
01:20:11,350 --> 01:20:09,040
thing with king arthur being the sun and

2082
01:20:13,990 --> 01:20:11,360
these knights being these astrological

2083
01:20:15,590 --> 01:20:14,000
art archetypes embodiments um and you'll

2084
01:20:17,110 --> 01:20:15,600
find it in monty python the holy grail

2085
01:20:19,430 --> 01:20:17,120
it's a fascinating movie it's one of my

2086
01:20:21,750 --> 01:20:19,440
all-time favorite movies and monty

2087
01:20:24,390 --> 01:20:21,760
python um you know

2088
01:20:25,990 --> 01:20:24,400
life of brian meaning of life

2089
01:20:29,350 --> 01:20:26,000
terry gilliam you'll find a lot of

2090
01:20:34,790 --> 01:20:32,470
can i ask you a a a question a kind of a

2091
01:20:36,790 --> 01:20:34,800
non-circuit sequiter here what's your

2092
01:20:39,189 --> 01:20:36,800
favorite film

2093
01:20:41,510 --> 01:20:39,199
oh of all time

2094
01:20:44,790 --> 01:20:41,520
oh boy that's a tough one um i have so

2095
01:20:46,310 --> 01:20:44,800
many um that i like um i really i really

2096
01:20:48,070 --> 01:20:46,320
it's a movie that i take on in cinema

2097
01:20:49,990 --> 01:20:48,080
symbolism and again it's very gnostic

2098
01:20:52,870 --> 01:20:50,000
and it deals with a lot of um secret

2099
01:20:54,709 --> 01:20:52,880
society themes i love fight club um that

2100
01:20:55,510 --> 01:20:54,719
that would probably be be right right up

2101
01:20:57,270 --> 01:20:55,520
there

2102
01:20:59,430 --> 01:20:57,280
i love the monty python the holy grail

2103
01:21:02,229 --> 01:20:59,440
movie i love the original star wars

2104
01:21:04,229 --> 01:21:02,239
trilogy i love horror movies um i love

2105
01:21:06,229 --> 01:21:04,239
the exorcist uh the exorcist is a

2106
01:21:07,669 --> 01:21:06,239
phenomenal movie um and i agree with you

2107
01:21:10,550 --> 01:21:07,679
it's probably one of the scariest if not

2108
01:21:12,870 --> 01:21:10,560
the scariest movie ever made ever ever

2109
01:21:15,990 --> 01:21:12,880
yeah yeah no i mean i like i like

2110
01:21:17,750 --> 01:21:16,000
comedies um i love caddyshack i i'm not

2111
01:21:20,149 --> 01:21:17,760
into golf but i mean that movie is just

2112
01:21:21,350 --> 01:21:20,159
great okay so did you see anything in

2113
01:21:23,910 --> 01:21:21,360
caddyshack

2114
01:21:26,870 --> 01:21:23,920
oh sure you have um

2115
01:21:29,590 --> 01:21:26,880
with caddyshack um you have really what

2116
01:21:32,229 --> 01:21:29,600
what what you have in in in in in this

2117
01:21:35,590 --> 01:21:32,239
is is sort of this um this character

2118
01:21:37,830 --> 01:21:35,600
called loki um it's mercurius um this is

2119
01:21:41,030 --> 01:21:37,840
sort of the archetype um who fails

2120
01:21:43,270 --> 01:21:41,040
upward it's the altruific character um

2121
01:21:47,189 --> 01:21:43,280
you'll find this in um fast times of

2122
01:21:49,750 --> 01:21:47,199
ridge mount high with um spikoli um sort

2123
01:21:51,830 --> 01:21:49,760
of this joker character um who can only

2124
01:21:53,990 --> 01:21:51,840
do wrong but the more he screws up the

2125
01:21:54,709 --> 01:21:54,000
the more bed the better things happen to

2126
01:21:56,629 --> 01:21:54,719
him

2127
01:21:58,550 --> 01:21:56,639
you'll find this archetype um in a lot

2128
01:22:00,790 --> 01:21:58,560
of movies he he's you know there's

2129
01:22:03,030 --> 01:22:00,800
stanley ipkis in the mask i mean that's

2130
01:22:06,149 --> 01:22:03,040
the whole story right there with loki

2131
01:22:08,790 --> 01:22:06,159
and mercurius um so yeah you'll you'll

2132
01:22:12,070 --> 01:22:08,800
find this art archetypal figure um in a

2133
01:22:14,550 --> 01:22:12,080
lot of comedies um so you know man

2134
01:22:16,310 --> 01:22:14,560
in cinema symbolism uh the final move or

2135
01:22:19,110 --> 01:22:16,320
excuse me the final chapter of the book

2136
01:22:20,950 --> 01:22:19,120
um deals with comedies um you know which

2137
01:22:24,149 --> 01:22:20,960
you know you know you'll find a lot of

2138
01:22:26,070 --> 01:22:24,159
um astrological personalities archetypes

2139
01:22:27,830 --> 01:22:26,080
and movies like ghostbusters

2140
01:22:30,390 --> 01:22:27,840
nine to five those two movies are the

2141
01:22:32,310 --> 01:22:30,400
exact same thing only reversed um i get

2142
01:22:33,669 --> 01:22:32,320
into some of the stuff with again this

2143
01:22:37,110 --> 01:22:33,679
um loki

2144
01:22:39,430 --> 01:22:37,120
trickster god mercurius figure alchervik

2145
01:22:41,350 --> 01:22:39,440
spicoli from fast times uh yeah the

2146
01:22:43,030 --> 01:22:41,360
final chapter of uh cinema symbolism is

2147
01:22:45,510 --> 01:22:43,040
all about comedies

2148
01:22:48,070 --> 01:22:45,520
um interesting interesting

2149
01:22:51,110 --> 01:22:48,080
i you know you've made me start thinking

2150
01:22:54,149 --> 01:22:51,120
about movies that sort of captured

2151
01:22:56,070 --> 01:22:54,159
my imagination throughout the years and

2152
01:22:57,830 --> 01:22:56,080
wondering you know

2153
01:22:59,910 --> 01:22:57,840
if there was something added in there

2154
01:23:02,790 --> 01:22:59,920
that i wasn't even aware of that drew me

2155
01:23:04,550 --> 01:23:02,800
to those particular movies

2156
01:23:06,310 --> 01:23:04,560
one of my favorites

2157
01:23:07,830 --> 01:23:06,320
is an old movie i don't know if you've

2158
01:23:08,709 --> 01:23:07,840
seen it my mom

2159
01:23:10,709 --> 01:23:08,719
uh

2160
01:23:12,950 --> 01:23:10,719
recommended that i watch it when i was a

2161
01:23:14,709 --> 01:23:12,960
kid my mom always had strange

2162
01:23:16,950 --> 01:23:14,719
suggestions for us but they were always

2163
01:23:18,790 --> 01:23:16,960
really good and it was a movie called

2164
01:23:21,030 --> 01:23:18,800
snake pit

2165
01:23:22,709 --> 01:23:21,040
with olivia de havilland

2166
01:23:25,510 --> 01:23:22,719
i don't know if you ever saw that but

2167
01:23:26,430 --> 01:23:25,520
she had a nervous breakdown and she was

2168
01:23:28,070 --> 01:23:26,440
uh

2169
01:23:30,629 --> 01:23:28,080
institutionalized

2170
01:23:32,390 --> 01:23:30,639
and i'm just thinking that thing must be

2171
01:23:36,790 --> 01:23:32,400
full of symbolism i'm gonna have to

2172
01:23:41,030 --> 01:23:38,629
you're right i mean you said it at the

2173
01:23:42,870 --> 01:23:41,040
beginning of the show um the symbolism

2174
01:23:44,629 --> 01:23:42,880
doesn't it's just not in modern movies

2175
01:23:46,709 --> 01:23:44,639
you'll find it in wizard of oz you'll

2176
01:23:49,669 --> 01:23:46,719
find in the universal horror movies

2177
01:23:52,070 --> 01:23:49,679
certainly movies from the 50s and 60s um

2178
01:23:55,669 --> 01:23:52,080
you know the the book spans all sorts of

2179
01:23:57,350 --> 01:23:55,679
genres and um time frames so um yeah i

2180
01:23:59,030 --> 01:23:57,360
mean i mean you know if you told me that

2181
01:24:00,870 --> 01:23:59,040
it was a movie with olivia to haveland

2182
01:24:02,709 --> 01:24:00,880
in it um that would not that would not

2183
01:24:04,950 --> 01:24:02,719
surprise me

2184
01:24:07,990 --> 01:24:04,960
yeah i know i'm just thinking of all the

2185
01:24:10,470 --> 01:24:08,000
classic films gone with the wind and

2186
01:24:12,310 --> 01:24:10,480
films like that that you know i can see

2187
01:24:13,910 --> 01:24:12,320
how

2188
01:24:15,350 --> 01:24:13,920
you know now i'm gonna look at things in

2189
01:24:17,510 --> 01:24:15,360
a different way

2190
01:24:20,310 --> 01:24:17,520
and start to see if i can you know

2191
01:24:22,709 --> 01:24:20,320
figure out for myself you know if i'm

2192
01:24:25,270 --> 01:24:22,719
seeing something symbolic

2193
01:24:27,030 --> 01:24:25,280
or if it's just you know just what it's

2194
01:24:29,990 --> 01:24:27,040
appears on the surface

2195
01:24:31,750 --> 01:24:30,000
it's going to be really interesting

2196
01:24:33,590 --> 01:24:31,760
fascinating yeah it's a fascinating

2197
01:24:36,310 --> 01:24:33,600
study and like i said i just took on

2198
01:24:38,629 --> 01:24:36,320
movies that i was 100 convinced um that

2199
01:24:40,390 --> 01:24:38,639
this material was in um just real quick

2200
01:24:42,070 --> 01:24:40,400
uh you know i don't i won't go into too

2201
01:24:43,510 --> 01:24:42,080
long i mean there's been many movies

2202
01:24:45,350 --> 01:24:43,520
i've watched where i was expecting to

2203
01:24:47,910 --> 01:24:45,360
see you know i sat down to watch it with

2204
01:24:49,750 --> 01:24:47,920
my symbolic lens symbolic you know you

2205
01:24:51,590 --> 01:24:49,760
know to pay attention to it for for

2206
01:24:53,830 --> 01:24:51,600
hidden meanings and things like that and

2207
01:24:56,870 --> 01:24:53,840
i found nothing um so you know it's not

2208
01:25:01,910 --> 01:24:59,830
oh yeah no i i would imagine that it's

2209
01:25:04,550 --> 01:25:01,920
not but i would imagine it's in a lot

2210
01:25:07,110 --> 01:25:04,560
more than we might realize

2211
01:25:09,110 --> 01:25:07,120
even if it wasn't purposeful like you

2212
01:25:11,270 --> 01:25:09,120
said i mean there are different ways

2213
01:25:13,189 --> 01:25:11,280
that it that it can occur

2214
01:25:15,350 --> 01:25:13,199
because i think maybe some of these

2215
01:25:18,070 --> 01:25:15,360
artists might be you know as you said

2216
01:25:18,790 --> 01:25:18,080
picking up on the collective unconscious

2217
01:25:20,310 --> 01:25:18,800
but

2218
01:25:21,750 --> 01:25:20,320
uh

2219
01:25:23,189 --> 01:25:21,760
in your opinion a lot of them are

2220
01:25:25,430 --> 01:25:23,199
purposeful

2221
01:25:27,990 --> 01:25:25,440
it sounds oh yeah absolutely i mean i i

2222
01:25:30,390 --> 01:25:28,000
definitely think um that that you know

2223
01:25:31,750 --> 01:25:30,400
they're using this material um it's

2224
01:25:33,030 --> 01:25:31,760
really like you said at the beginning

2225
01:25:35,350 --> 01:25:33,040
it's like a it's like a painter

2226
01:25:37,669 --> 01:25:35,360
incorporating the golden ratio or sacred

2227
01:25:40,390 --> 01:25:37,679
geometry into a painting building you

2228
01:25:42,709 --> 01:25:40,400
know it's turning the movie um into a

2229
01:25:44,790 --> 01:25:42,719
living piece of mythology i mean my god

2230
01:25:46,470 --> 01:25:44,800
i mean i'm in my early 40s i was born in

2231
01:25:48,550 --> 01:25:46,480
the early 70s i mean there isn't a

2232
01:25:50,790 --> 01:25:48,560
person my age who doesn't know what star

2233
01:25:52,790 --> 01:25:50,800
wars is or you know hasn't quoted star

2234
01:25:54,709 --> 01:25:52,800
wars at some point i mean there you go i

2235
01:25:57,189 --> 01:25:54,719
mean that's the joseph campbell monomyth

2236
01:25:59,430 --> 01:25:57,199
it's a solar allegory it contains the

2237
01:26:02,070 --> 01:25:59,440
entire you know manichaean scheme of

2238
01:26:04,390 --> 01:26:02,080
light versus darkness luke skywalker i

2239
01:26:06,550 --> 01:26:04,400
mean his name is the sun the name luke

2240
01:26:09,510 --> 01:26:06,560
comes from the latin lux meaning light

2241
01:26:12,149 --> 01:26:09,520
what light walks across the sky the sun

2242
01:26:14,470 --> 01:26:12,159
um you know in in comparative religion

2243
01:26:16,709 --> 01:26:14,480
this is apollo the sun god who's

2244
01:26:19,430 --> 01:26:16,719
apollo's sister that would be the moon

2245
01:26:21,270 --> 01:26:19,440
diana well who's the sister and who's

2246
01:26:23,510 --> 01:26:21,280
luke skywalker's sister would that be

2247
01:26:25,830 --> 01:26:23,520
the moon princess lair who's always

2248
01:26:27,430 --> 01:26:25,840
wearing the white robes of the moon um

2249
01:26:29,830 --> 01:26:27,440
so i mean you know you know you you will

2250
01:26:32,149 --> 01:26:29,840
find this symbol you know these themes

2251
01:26:34,950 --> 01:26:32,159
that this mythology these archetypes

2252
01:26:36,870 --> 01:26:34,960
tarot embodiment um you know i mean i

2253
01:26:38,870 --> 01:26:36,880
mean it's which would you have the eye

2254
01:26:40,629 --> 01:26:38,880
for it you'll definitely see it and you

2255
01:26:42,390 --> 01:26:40,639
you will become convinced like i that

2256
01:26:44,149 --> 01:26:42,400
these guys know what they're doing and

2257
01:26:46,149 --> 01:26:44,159
they're using this material uh very

2258
01:26:48,709 --> 01:26:46,159
adroitly i might add

2259
01:26:50,709 --> 01:26:48,719
you know you know we've got

2260
01:26:52,870 --> 01:26:50,719
literally like two minutes left to go in

2261
01:26:55,590 --> 01:26:52,880
the show um

2262
01:26:56,950 --> 01:26:55,600
so can you tell us you know one now that

2263
01:26:59,430 --> 01:26:56,960
we've heard you

2264
01:27:02,709 --> 01:26:59,440
and we go to view movies is there a way

2265
01:27:04,390 --> 01:27:02,719
to look at movies differently i mean

2266
01:27:05,750 --> 01:27:04,400
can you give us some hints on what to

2267
01:27:07,669 --> 01:27:05,760
look for

2268
01:27:09,590 --> 01:27:07,679
well how to start doing that how to

2269
01:27:11,189 --> 01:27:09,600
start recognizing it

2270
01:27:13,990 --> 01:27:11,199
yeah i mean it's a tough question to

2271
01:27:17,110 --> 01:27:14,000
answer because my thought my methodology

2272
01:27:20,229 --> 01:27:17,120
is um unique to it um i i kind of just i

2273
01:27:22,310 --> 01:27:20,239
i took it it's it's a result of 20 years

2274
01:27:24,629 --> 01:27:22,320
of research and it's really watching a

2275
01:27:27,910 --> 01:27:24,639
movie and picking up on certain themes

2276
01:27:29,110 --> 01:27:27,920
um character involvements um is the

2277
01:27:31,430 --> 01:27:29,120
characters

2278
01:27:32,709 --> 01:27:31,440
you know are they are they archetypes or

2279
01:27:34,629 --> 01:27:32,719
archetypes

2280
01:27:37,430 --> 01:27:34,639
is there an alchemical theme is there a

2281
01:27:40,629 --> 01:27:37,440
trans is is a person trans um

2282
01:27:42,149 --> 01:27:40,639
transmuting or are they achieving gnosis

2283
01:27:43,830 --> 01:27:42,159
are they wiser or are they trying to

2284
01:27:45,910 --> 01:27:43,840
become something they're not

2285
01:27:48,390 --> 01:27:45,920
um if is there a number that's being

2286
01:27:49,830 --> 01:27:48,400
drilled into my head over and over again

2287
01:27:51,990 --> 01:27:49,840
um

2288
01:27:55,110 --> 01:27:52,000
is is you know is there you know the

2289
01:27:57,270 --> 01:27:55,120
name game is always a fun one um to play

2290
01:27:58,629 --> 01:27:57,280
you know i mentioned luke skywalker um

2291
01:28:01,910 --> 01:27:58,639
you know we get into fight club with

2292
01:28:04,149 --> 01:28:01,920
tyler durden who guards the mysteries of

2293
01:28:07,350 --> 01:28:04,159
of fight club which is his all-male

2294
01:28:09,590 --> 01:28:07,360
free masonic secret society um you know

2295
01:28:11,590 --> 01:28:09,600
people trying to achieve gnosis you know

2296
01:28:13,910 --> 01:28:11,600
tyler is the guardian the you know he

2297
01:28:16,550 --> 01:28:13,920
keeps the people out keeps the people in

2298
01:28:18,310 --> 01:28:16,560
of of the dojo you know in order to get

2299
01:28:19,990 --> 01:28:18,320
in you have to get through tyler you

2300
01:28:23,110 --> 01:28:20,000
know in freemasonry who's the guy who

2301
01:28:25,830 --> 01:28:23,120
guards the temple the tyler um so you

2302
01:28:27,669 --> 01:28:25,840
have the name game um you know with

2303
01:28:30,070 --> 01:28:27,679
names having dualistic meanings again i

2304
01:28:32,390 --> 01:28:30,080
got into morpheus earlier so it's just a

2305
01:28:33,990 --> 01:28:32,400
whole study um and it's just paying

2306
01:28:36,229 --> 01:28:34,000
attention and believe you me renee when

2307
01:28:38,550 --> 01:28:36,239
i tell you i mean it's it's watching a

2308
01:28:40,229 --> 01:28:38,560
movie more than at least a couple times

2309
01:28:42,070 --> 01:28:40,239
i cannot tell you how many times i've

2310
01:28:43,590 --> 01:28:42,080
had to sit there watch a movie i'll

2311
01:28:46,790 --> 01:28:43,600
watch it at the end and something will

2312
01:28:48,149 --> 01:28:46,800
happen that i say to myself oh my god

2313
01:28:49,750 --> 01:28:48,159
have they said done something at the

2314
01:28:51,990 --> 01:28:49,760
beginning

2315
01:28:53,830 --> 01:28:52,000
that

2316
01:28:55,750 --> 01:28:53,840
this is a throwback to

2317
01:28:58,310 --> 01:28:55,760
sure enough there will be black swan

2318
01:29:00,709 --> 01:28:58,320
does this um like i said earlier the

2319
01:29:02,470 --> 01:29:00,719
stanley kubrick the shiny movie it's

2320
01:29:04,550 --> 01:29:02,480
just a it's just repetition if the

2321
01:29:06,870 --> 01:29:04,560
repetition and you're constantly

2322
01:29:09,110 --> 01:29:06,880
bouncing around that movie um looking

2323
01:29:11,189 --> 01:29:09,120
for things that repeat itself and it's

2324
01:29:12,709 --> 01:29:11,199
just it's just a vast study i mean you

2325
01:29:15,350 --> 01:29:12,719
know like i said it's

2326
01:29:18,470 --> 01:29:15,360
it's a methodology and it's just 20

2327
01:29:20,870 --> 01:29:18,480
years of research that i did um that

2328
01:29:23,830 --> 01:29:20,880
allows me to just view these movies when

2329
01:29:25,669 --> 01:29:23,840
i want to um through a symbolic lens um

2330
01:29:26,629 --> 01:29:25,679
and it's not easy believe me it's not

2331
01:29:28,870 --> 01:29:26,639
just sitting there watching them

2332
01:29:30,709 --> 01:29:28,880
passively i've got to have a remote i

2333
01:29:33,189 --> 01:29:30,719
mean it's constantly jumping around in

2334
01:29:35,430 --> 01:29:33,199
the movie i sit there with a legal pad i

2335
01:29:37,590 --> 01:29:35,440
usually wind up taking five six seven

2336
01:29:39,830 --> 01:29:37,600
pages of notes on this

2337
01:29:42,310 --> 01:29:39,840
on a particular movie um it's a vast

2338
01:29:44,550 --> 01:29:42,320
study but like i said once i'm convinced

2339
01:29:46,149 --> 01:29:44,560
thanks thanks everybody for joining us

2340
01:29:48,310 --> 01:29:46,159
hope you'll be here with me next week

2341
01:29:50,310 --> 01:29:48,320
for another another edition of night